[Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and devices

Fri Nov 11 18:10:48 UTC 2016

Anywhere on the screen that is not another control.  Hit another control 
and that new control gets selected.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk wrote:

> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:51:16
> From: Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>     <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>     devices
> 
> If we're talking about the touch screen on a smart phone, you don't always 
> need your finger in the exact location. On the iPhone for example, you could 
> do a two finger swipe up to have VoiceOver start reading from the top of the 
> screen. You could then flick left or right until you hear the object you're 
> looking for, such as the Mail icon. You could then double tap anywhere on the 
> screen to launch the Mail app. You could do all of these gestures anywhere on 
> the screen.
>
> On 10/11/16 19:12, Donald Moore via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Arlene, it's really not surprising.  For the totals who can do it, and I
>> know there are a whole bunch that can, you have to have allot of stuff come
>> together well.  Your finger in the exact location and the speech actually
>> telling you that that touch registered for starters.  Some phones can be
>> affixed with braille numbers or letters and such, but for ease, the buttons
>> like our old Havens really can't be beat.  And, I have the iPhone 6plus, 
>> but
>> it's not always easy and it's generally easier to let Siri do as much of 
>> the
>> work as possible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Arlene via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:34 PM
>> To: S L Johnson; Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Arlene
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>> devices
>> 
>> I'm not opposed to the touch screen technology, and as much as I've tried
>> with the modo g  phone, I'm not getting the knack of it. That's one way to
>> say it. Of course I don't have the phone connected right now though I'm not
>> giving up on it. I've listened to podcasts for touch screen phones and I 
>> was
>> 
>> on the android list for a period of time, but so far as stupid as it might
>> sound to those of you that haveieither or both the i phone or android, 
>> that
>> 
>> are accomplished in navigating and can use the touch screen. About the best
>> way to explain it, so far anyway,  I'm not getting the feel for it yet,
>> though I really hope tooeventually, and it's not because I don't want to 
>> get
>> 
>> into using a touch screen. That's part of the key, for me anyway, not yet
>> have I've gotten the touch of working the touch screen with ease as many
>> people do, and as much as I want too. There's aspects and features of what
>> you can do with both the i-phones and the androids which I know I could do
>> right now, if I only had the knack of it including the  valuable and
>> important and access to different bits of information and so on. While
>> there's an app for everything, an app here, and an app there, everywhere an
>> app, app, it seems like everyone in the whole world has a smart phone. It's
>> true a majority of people that have cell phones do have smart phones which
>> is really great. It's also true not everyone as one, as mentioned for not
>> having the funds to buy a smart phone, and some of it, there's a number of
>> individuals are doing there best to attempt to get the right touch or knack
>> to even navigate and work a touch screen. So really it's not out of a case
>> that there's necessarily groups of people that don't want to move along to 
>> a
>> 
>> touch screen and or smart phone. There may be some that will never get a
>> smart phone, not being a priority for them personally as crazy and stupid 
>> as
>> 
>> it might sound. For some people, change and new things aren't always
>> embraced immediately, and in time whatever the new thing is found not to be
>> so complicated or a bad thing. I don't know what all the right answers are,
>> but as others have said there should bea some way to make appliances and
>> other machines  accessible for anyone to use, even if it's a mix of the old
>> and new technology. The stoves we looked at for example, were fine in the
>> way that for the oven to set the temperature it would beep as you set the
>> temperature and as you set it on either bake, and or broil and so on. If
>> you're setting the temperature and you loose track you could always turn it
>> off and do it again. To me anyway, with newer technology it's acceptable
>> where this type of stove is concerned. The stove top was very much like an
>> older stove from what I remember which was good. As far as the 
>> affordability
>> 
>> of the smart phones and defending that aspect, for android anyway, The modo
>> g and probably some other models of android phones are pretty inexpensive
>> compared to what an i  phone and other android phones cost. I'm not an
>> expert on all the prices, but the modo g was $170, and I purchased it from
>> walmart as a prepaid phone on family mobile which is the walmart phone that
>> is on the t-mobile lines. I think what would help me in getting use to my
>> modo g is to find a friend nearby that's experienced with touch screens 
>> that
>> 
>> can sit with me as I navigate the screen. They  could help me and instruct
>> me with whatever my simple attempts are, pointing out what I'm doing  wrong
>> and they could show me how to have the right touch for it. It's something I
>> will do as I find someone. I do have some friends in mind. I first really
>> wanted to see what I could figure out on my own. One time a sales guy from 
>> a
>> 
>> t and t store, spent 45 minutes with me in the store showing me his i 
>> phone,
>> 
>> turning voice over on for me, and letting me explore the screen, as he was
>> explaining things to me. It was such a great experience. At the time my
>> friend and I each purchased the t-199 samsung feature phone, she purchased 
>> a
>> 
>> tablet. now I wished I asked her to put talkback on for me,  at least some
>> of the time, because, while she didn't need talkback, she would have helped
>> me in getting use too it. We have that sort of friendship where we enjoy
>> working on things together. We both only knew about talkback from another
>> friend of ours. Our other friend familiarized herself with talk back on her
>> s3 due to having tumors in her eyes in case she did loose her vision, and 
>> we
>> 
>> all could have worked on that. As I said The 3 of us had that sort of
>> friendship. Even starting with the gusto 2 and then when we got the gusto 3
>> and then when we got the t-199 for t-mobile we worked on a lot of things
>> with one another. In fact when we each purchased the t-199, we didn't know
>> that it had speech built into it. We did find out a day later when one of
>> my friends was exploring the screen and all the menues. I'm sure I can find
>> someone where I am now, since we both moved away from that apartment
>> building. So it's not always because people don't want to know,don't have
>> the desire to learn touch screens, and yes some are somewhat affordable. At
>> times you just need to save up for important things. Even the modo g at 
>> $170
>> 
>> may be to much of an expense of an item to buy in one month. If it's that
>> important even to buy, the best thing to do is save up for it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "S L Johnson via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>> devices
>> 
>> 
>>> Jim:
>>> 
>>> Okay, the smart phone may be one way to have access but, manufacturers
>>> still should make heir appliances accessible.  Not every blind or visually
>> 
>>> impaired person, especially aging seniors, can afford a smart phone.  Also
>> 
>>> many seniors are not comfortable with the new touch screen technology.
>>> 
>>> Sandra Johnson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim McCarthy via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:41 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Jim McCarthy
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>>> devices
>>> 
>>> Sandra,
>>> The smart phone providing access to appliances actually might prove
>>> helpful to you given what you describe. That is if you had access to a
>>> qwerty keyboard or braille display. The majority of touch screen gestures
>>> and methods do have keyboard equivalents. I agree with Dave that smart
>>> phone access to appliances would be one more access tool and it also seems
>> 
>>> one that the appliance manufacture community might pursue.
>>> Jim McCarthy
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandra Streeter via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:46 PM
>>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Sandra Streeter
>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>>> devices
>>> 
>>> All in for a range of solutions! I, for one, have had a devil of a time
>>> mastering any touch-screen device (except my microwave), because I??Tm a
>>> lousy auditory learner who needs both Braille and practice to master even
>>> a smartphone, and because I have some fine-motor issues that make it
>>> harder to ensure that I??Tm, say, double-tapping something instead of
>>> tapping once and accidentally moving my finger without knowing it, then
>>> attempting the second half of the gesture (in the new place I wasn??Tt
>>> aware I was in). Those of us who are still button-pushers, and don??Tt
>>> want to use touch screens or to talk to a device, are left out in the
>>> cold. . Smartphones would not be an option for me. Besides which, say the
>>> Internet part of the grid (but not all electronic areas) went
>>> down??"getting our phones to talk to our devices so we can set them
>>> properly might be a major issue. And, I am totally in agreement that we
>>> need to be better advocates for ourselves, instead of waiting for a
>>> politician or governmental system to finally see/do something about our
>>> needs. Not all de-regulation is a bad thing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandra
>>> 
>>> Not ??oRevelation????? ??" tis ??" that waits
>>> But our unfurnished eyes ??"
>>> (Emily Dickinson)
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