[Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost

Tue Oct 25 18:10:29 UTC 2016

Where is the target guest center usually located?  I have been in Target 
stores, and never seen such a thing.  Of course, maybe the sighted people I 
was with just didn't want to go to such a thing.  You know how some people 
are.  If they can't find something themselves, then it doesn't exist.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Shannon Cook via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:36 PM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
Cc: Shannon Cook
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost

Same here.  We've gotten fantastic help at the Target Guest Center.  Now I 
realize that does not mean every Target will have the same level of service. 
But ours has been an overall great experience.

Shannon Cook, MSW, CPM
-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:21 AM
To: Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>; 
steve.jacobson at visi.com
Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost

Every Target I have been in has a Guest Center.  When I've needed help, I 
used the services in the Guest Center and had no such problem as you 
described.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016, Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk wrote:

> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 07:12:45
> From: Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: steve.jacobson at visi.com,
>     Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>     <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
> Lost
>
>
> Okay, here's the bottom line.  There are very few, if any,  stores
> that will demonstrate microwave ovens for you.  Certainly not Best Buy
> or Home Depot or Lowe's or WalMart or Target.  In many cases, they
> don't even have units on display.  They are simply stacked up on the
> sales floor in their original cartons, and in most cases, a sales
> person won't even take a unit  out of the box so that you can at least
> feel the touchpad and get some idea of whether it could be made
> accessible with tactile markers.  And actually plugging it in to
> demonstrate it?  If you ask a salesperson to do this, they'll just
> laugh you out of the store. Big box retailers are only interested in
> maximizing sales, not personalized attention.  And good luck finding a
> salesperson in the first place.  Certainly not at my local Target,
> where you are basically on your own.  They have maybe two or three
> microwave ovens on display.  The rest are simply piled up in their 
> original cartons ready to be picked up and schlepped to the check-out 
> counter.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
> Cc: Steve Jacobson
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
> Lost
>
> Jim and Annette,
>
> If this is the issue, I apologize for appearing to pile on, so to
> speak.  I didn't see this described in the most recent note, though,
> and the subject got my attention.
>
> For the very little it is worth, the overhead microwaves don't seem to
> be substantially different in their controls from what I've seen, but
> checking for certain if the buttons are activated by pressure would
> certainly be reasonable.  One approach I would take if confronted with
> the same thing is to contact the manufacturer as they may be able to
> answer questions.  I would also explain that they are being called
> because the seller would not even permit plugging the unit in.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim McCarthy via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jim McCarthy <jmccarthy at mdtap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
> Lost
>
> Peter,
> I do not think Annette has an issue with doing some labeling. She has
> posted several items on this thread over the last couple weeks. She
> wants or needs a particular kind of microwave, one that mounts above
> the range and includes an exhaust fan. She has found appliance sellers
> unwilling to plug in possible items in order that she can test them to
> be sure that she buys something that she can make accessible to her.
> There are coming to be classes of home appliances that are becoming
> impossible of being made accessible, though I cannot say that
> microwaves have arrived in that category of device yet. When we say
> that all it takes is to add braille labels as we have done forever,
> that assumes that the controls require some pressure to activate. If
> they can be activated by proximity of the finger to the control, a
> blind user will need to get quite good at knowing the layout of her unit. 
> Some may be able to do this, but many of us will not, I think.
> It is my opinion that the present legal landscape would not protect
> blind purchasers of appliances for finding that there are none in a
> category that they can use. I am not certain of the best answer but am
> definitely troubled by the possibility that someday I will want an
> oven and be able to find none me and my blind wife and cook can use.
> Best
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Donahue via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Peter Donahue
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
> Lost
>
> Good afternoon Anet and everyone,
>
>    This is easier to solve than you seem to believe. It's just a
> matter of labeling the touchPad with Braille labels. We faced the same
> challenge when we got our latest microwave and moved into our current
> apartment. The oven controlls were inaccessible. We made Braille
> labels and placed them on the control pad in the appropriate places
> and can now use it independently. Have you explored the possibility of
> buying a microwave or other appliance that can be controlled by an App on 
> your iDevice or Androide Device?
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
>
> Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I am at a dead-end when it comes to finding an accessible over
>> the range microwave.  They just do not exist.  We are left with no
>> option but to purchase one that I cannot use as we need the exhaust.
>> We cannot just replace the microwave with a traditional exhaust hood
>> as we would have to replace the cabinet above the range to position
>> the hood at the required height.  Well, that is not going to happen
>> since it is not possible to match a new cabinets to the existing 
>> cabinets.
>>
>>
>>
>> The appliance manufacturers think that making an appliance ADA
>> accessible requires them to only meet physical access requirements.
>> Access for the blind is not even a consideration.  It is just a
>> matter of time before access to all appliances are out of our reach.
>>
>>
>>
>> Annette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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