[Electronics-Talk] Introduction

Andy Baracco wq6r at socal.rr.com
Fri Dec 1 21:56:57 UTC 2017 

Jonathan Mosen did an excellent segment on his experiences with the iphone 
10 on his Blindside podcast.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jenny Keller via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction


> OK. So, next question.
>
> I know that John has said that there are blind  people that have the 10. I 
> haven’t asked though that of those people. What is the general consensus. 
> Do they regret not just jumping to the eight? But, I was wondering if 
> anyone else knew any.
>
> I’m going to upgrade because you can get the KNFB reader free when you 
> upgrade at Sprint. So, since I’m eligible, I figured I do it.
>
> Like I said, upgrading to the 10 is interesting because of different 
> characteristics of how you have to maneuver. I know that to open the home 
> screen, you have to swipe up from the bottom 1/4 of the way. So, that 
> should be interesting. Swiping is not always the easiest thing to do no 
> matter what you do I think.
>
> Jenny
>
> Just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snow.
> Lies the seed that with the sun’s love,
> In the spring becomes the rose.
>
> “The rose” Bette Midler
>
>> On Dec 1, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> identicle as far as form factor is concerned. Only difference is a faster 
>> processor, but the difference in performance between a 7 and 8 is so 
>> negligible that I wouldn't bother to upgrade.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller via Electronics-Talk" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction
>>
>>
>>> No, I have a 7+.
>>>
>>> Going to upgrade, but, just wanted to know about the SE as I did not 
>>> know anything about it.
>>>
>>> Will probably upgrade either with the 8+, or 10.
>>>
>>> I know there are blind people that have tens, but, as far as how many? 
>>> Who knows.
>>>
>>> I am sure there are much more that have eights though.
>>>
>>> Don’t really want to get a tent and have there be not as much info if I 
>>> have questions.
>>>
>>> So, besides size. What is the physical difference between a 7+ and 8+?
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>> Just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snow.
>>> Lies the seed that with the sun’s love,
>>> In the spring becomes the rose.
>>>
>>> “The rose” Bette Midler
>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you running IOS 11? I had an iphone 6 for 3 years, and noticed the 
>>>> slowness after upgrading to IOS 11, in spite of following all of the 
>>>> recommendations regarding power saving, CPU use, etc. Going from the 6 
>>>> to the 8 is like going from riding a bicycle to driving a Ferrari.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherri Brun via Electronics-Talk" 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'" 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Sherri Brun" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 4:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have the IPhone SE and I am very happy with it.  Yes, it has all the 
>>>>> features of the IPhone 6.  I have no desire to upgrade, as I do not 
>>>>> want to lose the earphone jack, which is not available in IPhone 7 and 
>>>>> above. They use ear-pods.  Again, very happy with my IPhone SE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sherri
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Arlene via Electronics-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 4:18 AM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Arlene <arlenes71154 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a smaller size I phone and from what I understand, it's the same 
>>>>> as the i phone 6. I'm not sure if I'm remember this right, possibly 
>>>>> someone knows a little more about it than I do. I'll find out if I'm 
>>>>> remember this right and I'll write back here and let you know.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jenny Keller via Electronics-Talk" 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is an iPhone SE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snow.
>>>>>> Lies the seed that with the sun’s love, In the spring becomes the
>>>>>> rose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “The rose” Bette Midler
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Roanna Bacchus via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My family and I are you smart phone. I use voice over on my iPhone 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do everything that you just described in your message and I love it.
>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Arlene via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, Roanna, welcome to this group. You'll really learn a whole lot
>>>>>>>> here, and sometimes it could be a real mixture of things, from what
>>>>>>>> items are the most accessible to who takes to certain items  and
>>>>>>>> others would rather the other type of items, very much in the same
>>>>>>>> sort of catagory and both accessible in their own way. Just like in
>>>>>>>> everything, everyone has their own ways of doing things, and they
>>>>>>>> have a set items they make use of. Listening to all of it is quite
>>>>>>>> interesting. One set of items would be, for example smart phones 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the feature phones, the flip phones and there are some bar type
>>>>>>>> phones with buttons both accessible in their own ways. I think a
>>>>>>>> majority of visually impaired individuals have smart phones, just 
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> everyone else does, and included in these phones is a screen 
>>>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>>> So one can navigate on the screen as anyone else can. In some cases
>>>>>>>> it makes other items in the house more accessible, such as having
>>>>>>>> things like an instapot, also some crockpots, working different
>>>>>>>> things in one's house whether it be your thermostat or lights and
>>>>>>>> other things. Doing email, going on the internet, listening to
>>>>>>>> books, music and the radio on the phone, apps to be able to connect
>>>>>>>> with someone to find out a description of an item that you need a
>>>>>>>> bit more information about, other useful apps for scanning text, 
>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>> codes, gps, color identifier, and so much more. Then there's those
>>>>>>>> feature phones that are flip phones or bar type phones, the phones
>>>>>>>> that have the buttons, that have the text to speech included in the
>>>>>>>> phone, which isn't exactly like the screen reading software in a
>>>>>>>> smart phone, but makes it possible to navigate the phone with the
>>>>>>>> buttons and many of these phones do talk everything in the menues 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the phone. Personally for me, what I use is some of the different
>>>>>>>> feature phones that I'm very confortable with. As I'm able too I'll
>>>>>>>> get more of these type of phones so I could see what the phones are
>>>>>>>> capable of and see what types of things that I or anyone else can 
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> with these phones. Of course, as in everything certain phones are
>>>>>>>> better than others or rightfully so a bit better because the 
>>>>>>>> aspects
>>>>>>>> of the phone may be a bit more advanced. Such as seeing a 
>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>> in how a number of these phones work and what they had in cluded 3
>>>>>>>> years ago, verses now presently. I think I'm going to do some audio
>>>>>>>> recordings about these phones. While there's so much more you can 
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> with a smart phone, with these feature phones, Besides navigating
>>>>>>>> with the phone for the settings, to type in new contacts, writing a
>>>>>>>> text message, I could use the calculater, I could use the calendar
>>>>>>>> on some of them, I go on the internet with them, some of the phones
>>>>>>>> are a bit better than other phones. 2 of the phones that are better
>>>>>>>> for going on the internet that are quite new phones, probably as 
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> as from last year are the sim mobile for at&t and the alcatel for
>>>>>>>> t-mobile. Not everyone is as crazy as I am, I like to explore and
>>>>>>>> try everything I can do with it, including going on the internet,
>>>>>>>> which a number of people wouldn't even think about doing or 
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> care about, and possibly wouldn't be interested in using something
>>>>>>>> like the calculator. It's just enough phone for many individuals to
>>>>>>>> be able to have a phone to use as just a phone, from easily dialing
>>>>>>>> a phone number to navigating the phone with the text to speech
>>>>>>>> included in the phone, to be able to write a text message, go into
>>>>>>>> your contacts to either look up a phone number which takes no time
>>>>>>>> or when you're going to type in a new contact or write a text
>>>>>>>> message. As far as smart phones we have a modo g android phone,
>>>>>>>> which neither one of us have really got the knack of using and we
>>>>>>>> really want to learn. We're going to get the android book from
>>>>>>>> national braille press which should help in our learning,
>>>>>>>> tremendously. One of these days when we could afford it we'd like 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get i phones. We have looked at both the i phones and  the android
>>>>>>>> phones at the store, with the sales person putting the screen 
>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>>> on. One time we saw that little i phone the s e I think it's 
>>>>>>>> called,
>>>>>>>> which seemed pretty easy to navigate, and the phone was a really
>>>>>>>> nice size being small and being small enough to put in a pocket.
>>>>>>>> Everyone differs to much of an extent of how they use anything for
>>>>>>>> that matter. For a smart phone we would want to have the scanning
>>>>>>>> apps, the color identifier, possibly the gps, one  of those apps in
>>>>>>>> case we needed something described, for us not so much for reading
>>>>>>>> books, and listening to the radio or tv, but that's some of what we
>>>>>>>> would use. Having the internet and email handy on the smart phones
>>>>>>>> is great as well. Hopefully in time we'll get use to the smart
>>>>>>>> phones, but I'll never stop using the feature phones because they
>>>>>>>> are just as usefull in their ownway. It's amazing, the topic of the
>>>>>>>> phones is such a big topic. Then there's other things we write 
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> here, sharing information about what appliances are more 
>>>>>>>> accessible,
>>>>>>>> such as Roger recently told us about his stove and dryer that are
>>>>>>>> both quite accessible, which was good for us to know about since we
>>>>>>>> need a new stove. we write about our experiences with some of the
>>>>>>>> tvs that have the speech included in them, also share ideas about
>>>>>>>> how to do certain things, whatever comes up for someone, even if
>>>>>>>> it's something like finding the best ways for labeling something,
>>>>>>>> which a number of us have our own individual ways of doing things,
>>>>>>>> that one could figure out and hear what is the closest way they 
>>>>>>>> would feel confortable in doing whatever it is. As I said we all 
>>>>>>>> vary in either our skill or what we're plain confortable with, and 
>>>>>>>> that goes for anything, with so many possibilities. Feel welcome to 
>>>>>>>> asking any questions you have, and share any experiences you have 
>>>>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>> Arlene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "roanna bacchus via 
>>>>>>>> Electronics-Talk"
>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "roanna bacchus" <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:22 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Introduction
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Members,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am currently seeking employment
>>>>>>>>> that will allow me to utilize my braille skills and degree.  I 
>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>> learning about accessible electronics that the blind can use on
>>>>>>>>> their own.  I joined this list so I can share my experiences using
>>>>>>>>> accessible electronics.
>>>>>>>>>
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