[Electronics-Talk] Cost of AIRA

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Thu Jan 9 12:57:37 UTC 2020 

I got a lanyard as a freebie at the Seeing Eye reunion.  It's a plastic holder on a cord, basically.  It fits my iPhone OK, but it tends to move around when I'm walking, so I end up holding it with my hand most of the time anyway.
I've used AIRA while working my dog, waving my phone with my other hand.  It's doable.  Sometimes though, I have to stop and get AIRA to read a sign or something, then move on, and my dog doesn't like a lot of stops and starts.  He also doesn't like when we're in an unfamiliar area and he feels like I don't know where we're going, and he doesn't recognize AIRA as a direction-giver the same way he does a person, reasonably enough.
Tracy


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From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Payne via Electronics-Talk
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Is there a phone lanyard that works well with the iphone 7S and AIRA? I would like to try the service, but I'm not ready to invest in their phone and glasses. And holding the phone while working with a dog might be a little much.
--Doug

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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Cost of AIRA

Hi David.
AIRA doesn't actually cost $99 a month anymore, at least not necessarily.  I have the $30/month "introductory" plan, and, with the free 5 minutes with each call, it does fine for me.  
I am used to doing without sighted help, and don't use AIRA every day, but, when I want it, it's handy to have.  Now I've got that sighted person on hand whenever I want, the one everyone always imagines I've had all along. It doesn't always work, but mostly it does.
Tracy


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The student I was with from the guide dog school worked in that area and wanted training.  The school could not justify making a 2 and a half hour trip for just one person.  So I offered to go with her.  I had no idea I had to cross that wide of a street.  I remember thinking does this crossing ever end?  Now that I think of it regarding veering, I am just happy the dog did not veer.  Yes, for the help you get from the agents, it is worth the money.  The only thing is, some can't afford the minimum $100 that one has to spend for that service.  

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Wow, you are much braver than me :-) maybe when I was younger and had a little bit more site. Now, no way.

That is totally awesome that you can do that. I just like the fact that they can tell you if you are veering. That’s worth the money right there.

Jenny

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> On Jan 6, 2020, at 6:44 PM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have crossed a street in Flushing New York.  It was I would guess a 16 lane crossing.  All I know was it was close to the JFK airport.  There is no way I would trust someone using my iPhone camera to guide me across the street.
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> As a totally blind person I have crossed thousands of streets in many city's! And my opinion is no blind person can  know 100% of the time when is the right time to leave right at the beginning of a walk cycle! Sometimes there is to many things going on in an intersection. My favorite is a driver running a red light making me think I now have the walk signal! A Aira agent is not supposed to guess if he can see that walk signal, mine did. That is what I wanted everyone to know.
> Mike
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> 
> yes, I agree whole heartedly. I also know that when I signed up for their services I had to agree that I would not use them or count on them for any mobility skills especially crossing the street. We should only use other services to assist us with vision but it is up to us to know when it is safe to cross a street or not.
> Lori
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>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Aira is not a substitute for your own mobility skills. It was never meant to be that.
>> 
>> If you have issues crossing the street, anyone, including me. It is not Iris responsibility to make sure your mobility skills are right. If you’re not coming trouble crossing the street, don’t. Aira or not.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:45 PM, David Andrews via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally I don't think you should be using Aira this way.  Initially they wouldn't do that kind of thing, I guess they have changed -- and I think it is dangerous. They have no control over where you are looking,so it would be easy to miss something, nor not be able to see it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 06:25 AM 12/21/2019, you wrote:
>>>>> Warning about using Aira & street crossing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been using Aira for over 1 year now. Sometimes an Aira 
>>>>> agent can see the walk signal & sometimes not. When they cannot 
>>>>> the agent tells me & then I point the camera at the traffic signal 
>>>>> & not the walk signal. This was working!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not this time. The Aira agent said I had the walk signal. I heard 
>>>>> no moving traffic. So, I put 1 foot out in the street & wiz a car 
>>>>> went across my path
>>>>> 2 lanes away. I pulled my foot back & to more cars went right 
>>>>> where my foot was!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Obviously that Aira agent could not see the walk signal. Bad 
>>>>> information is worse than no information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I did report that to Aira. Because I could have died, I just 
>>>>> wanted you to know for your safety. Sometimes I cannot tell if I 
>>>>> have the walk signal because of noises or a lack of traffic flow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>> 
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