[Electronics-Talk] Robot vacuum good with dog fur

Tue May 3 08:53:02 UTC 2022

Lol. If the dog does its things indoors that can be a problem. In that 
case I'd have to recommend the rather expensive Roborock s6 Max which 
has the obstical recognition camera working in conjunction with the 
LiDAR navigation, and that camera is in fact supposed to be able to 
recognize poop. From what I read, it pretty much never has a false 
negative but it does sometimes call a stuffed dog toy a pile of poop 
which honestly is the better mistake to be making imo.

Cheers:
Aaron Spears, AKA Valiant8086 General Partner at Valiant Galaxy Associates "we make (VERY GOOD AUDIOGAMES) for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com

On 5/2/2022 8:34 AM, David Waybright via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Honestly! I would stay far clear of robot vacs if you have dogs. There is a scenario online called poop-ageddon! and let's just say words can't describe the shear sight of such a scene. If your dog accidently goes before the robo vac starts there is nothing stopping the vac from driving straight over top of it and causing all kinds of warfare! The most hilarious part of the stories I've seen is the person's vac goes back to home base and gives the "Happy Blink of Clean Room", ugg!
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> I've been thinking about a robot vacuum, maybe.  Is there one that's good
> with dog fur and, of course, is accessible?  I would include as accessible
> having to push a button, but I'm also OK with iPhone apps.
>
> Thanks.
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> Tracy
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> From: Aaron Spears <valiant8086 at gmail.com>
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> Hi.
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>
> Neato bot vac that doesn't say connected in the name anywhere are good
> for just working without needing an app. One of the non connected models
> has a touch screen though so look out for that.
>
>
> If you like having an app well enough, the Roborock s6, s6max or s7 seem
> to work well on Android but I'm not sure about iOS. I can't customize
> the map it makes or set my own no go zones and such, but I can keep up
> with maintenance and? check status and receive alerts for maintenance
> items and/or error messages.
>
>
> As far as being good for furr, the roborock is fairly decent because it
> has a silicone blade in between the bristles, but it will still wrap
> carpet stands around itself. They're easy to get off especially since
> the brush roll is easy to remove and you can remove the bearing from one
> end of it so that you can more easily unwind strands. A cutter tool is
> under the hood area on top that you can use to aid in carpet strand or
> long hair removal. I can sort of set the schedule, it's a bit messy but
> I can do it with a little finaggling.
>
>
> Ours is the Roborock S6. You can use Roborock machines with Mi Home or
> with the Roborock app. Both work but I like the roborock app better
> especially after a recent update made it more Talkback friendly.
>
>
>
> I think the best deal at the moment is Dreametech W10 Robot Vacuum
> Cleaner and Mop, Sweeping, Mopping, Washing and Drying 4in1, Robotic
> Vacuum with Superb Lidar Navigation, 4000Pa Strong Suction for Pet Hair,
> Hard Floor, Carpet : Home & Kitchen (amazon.com)
> <https://www.amazon.com/Dreametech-Cleaner-Sweeping-Mopping-Navigation/dp/B09994T1NB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=5ZYMEHS9M27B&keywords=dreame+d10+vacuum&qid=1651453982&sprefix=tractor%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-1>
> but I'm not sure how accessible the app is for it. If it uses the Mi
> Home app, that is reasonably accessible. Anyway 4k suction is really
> strong. Some reviewers claim it picks up things their Dyson upright
> didn't, and most everybody claims those things are awesome. I'd be very
> tempted to give it a try if I were you because the suction alone may
> have a significant impact on how good it is at taking care of fur.
>
>
> For blindies, the iRobot Roomba 980 was very famous for its exceptional
> user friendliness to us. It's no longer manufactured but can sometimes
> be picked up from the Amazon wearhouse renewed for tiny fractions of the
> original cost. I am unaware if newer Roomba models that have VSLAM
> navigation remain as friendly, but they are expensive. LiDAR navigation
> is more reliable for the most part, so I have been sticking with those.
> The Neato models almost all have LiDAR, so do most of the Roborock and
> Dream models.
>
>
> LiDAR uses one or more lasers that spin around in circles usually in a
> turet on the top of the robot. It simply returns a measurement of how
> far away the nearest detected obstruction is. Since LiDAR is a laser
> light itself, it doesn't require your lights to be on. If you keep the
> lights off and curtains closed, a VSLAM navigation machine will have a
> chance to have a lot more trouble keeping track of where it's at. VSLAM
> navigation usually uses a camera installed on the top of the robot that
> points upward at the ceiling and recognizes where it is by matching the
> camera image with its database. As such, VSLAM needs a little bit of
> light. LiDAR will do a better job figuring out where it is if you move
> the robot and then do something where it needs to know where it is. For
> instance the Roborock S6 can find its way back to the dock if you pick
> it up and put it many rooms away as long as it has the room it is in
> mapped or is able to find a room that is on the map within a certain
> amount of time. I would definitely lean strongly toward using a LiDAR
> system.
>
>
> There are other navigation methods, like the random bump and turn and
> some other cheaper options, but LiDAR and VSLAM, in that order, are at
> the top of the hill. The Roborock S6Max combines cameras (not VSLAM!)
> with LiDAR. The cameras look forward and enable it to identify specific
> objects and circumnavigate them if they are things that wouldn't be safe
> to approach, like dog poop. They also can place pins on the map where
> things have been found that may not be supposed to be where they are,
> like a sock under the bed. I'm not aware whether that experience is
> accessible to us.
>
>
> That model also lets you view the camera feed in the phone app and
> remotely drive the robot around and you can see what the camera can see
> on the phone screen as you drive. Handy to wander around and see if
> somebody's home yet or how the dog's doing or what ever. I'm pretty sure
> that's mostly not usable by the blind. The price is a little hefty for
> the s6 max and the s7 but they are the pick of the crop in every way,
> generally outperforming models that cost twice as much. We've had ours
> since Black Friday of 2020 and it is scheduled to clean every day. It
> still works like the first day we had it, better since the mapping has
> improved a little. It gets stuck maybe twice a week, but we have many
> cords laying around to trip it up. Dog toys don't tend to bother it, it
> just runs over them, not picking them up, or nudges them along until
> they slide out of the way. It's really a fantastic device. Roborock S6
> is what I'm referring to.
>
>
> What ever you do, get a device that has whole home mapping. It's not
> really worth getting a robot that doesn't have it. It won't do as good
> as you can do on your own, and it'll constantly get lost and stuck and
> you'll have to chase it all over the place, and it'll often not be able
> to find its charger.
>
>
> If you need a really cheap model that has whole home mapping, Tesvor
> makes some cheap ones as does 360. The 360 s6 (not to be confused with
> Roborock S6!) comes to mind. Accessibility unknown. If you do get one
> that you think we don't have info on yet in terms of accessibility
> please bend our ears with your? findings.
>
>
> Cheers:
> Aaron Spears, AKA Valiant8086 General Partner at Valiant Galaxy Associates "we make (VERY GOOD AUDIOGAMES) for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com
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> On 5/1/2022 2:24 PM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> I've been thinking about a robot vacuum, maybe.  Is there one that's good
>> with dog fur and, of course, is accessible?  I would include as accessible
>> having to push a button, but I'm also OK with iPhone apps.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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