[Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

Mon Aug 14 01:24:30 UTC 2023

There's the NFB in computer Science and their mailing list is at https://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org

The NFB's contact page is at https://knfbreader.nfb.org/contact-us#:~:text=To%20contact%20the%20National%20Office%20by%20mail%2C%20phone,Place%20Baltimore%2C%20MD%2021230%20Phone%3A%20410-659-9314%20Fax%3A%20410-685-5653

I found these links as one of the first hits with two web searches. I'm not saying you'll get anywhere with the NFB, but before people, and I don't think you were one of them, jump to conclusions and make assumptions, it would be best if they knew what they were talking about. Also, and again this doesn't apply to you since you're talking about writing a petition, it's easier to sit back and take pot shots at someone else or an organization then it is to actually take action.

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 8:03 PM
To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances' <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Nicole Torcolini <torcolini at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

        Excuse me if this is a stupid question, but how does one report problems like this to the NFB?

Nicole

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via Electronics-Talk
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

Chris,
This is my sentiments too! Did the listers who had issues bring it to the NFB National Office's attention?
You might try notifying the NFB office if you have not already.
I am battling my own access isues now.
Zoom made updates and significant changes to the layout of their desktop app and web interface.
I am  currently having severe issues with zoom.
I am a subscriber and they have made some new features up in the desktop software that tricks jaws up. Its very difficult to use because some of the features such as opening the scheduling calendar by default when you schedule meetings is not reading much with jaws and then you get pop up boxes about new features and its hard to get out of them.

Amazon comes to NFB conventions regularly and It was my impression they had worked with NFB on some things although I do not know the details.

Also, I think you said it well. We need to work with companies first and attempt to resolve barriers.
Lawsuits should be a last resort!

Take care.
Ashley

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

This raises a few questions in my mind:
1. How do you know the NFB isn't doing anything?
2. When did this issue Pop up?
3. What have you done to notify the NFB about the problem? What about Amazon?

This is just me, but I don't think a law suit should be the first card played by the blind. I think bringing the issue up with Amazon and try to resolve the issue before going to the lawyers an courts. I think this just paints blind organizations in a poor light. Of course, I'm not opposed to lawsuits if everything else has failed.

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Electronics-Talk
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

Because they don't care.  It isn't the NFB self-driving car not enough publicity

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 5:08 PM
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Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon

Since Amazon is now the world's largest merchant, why isn't the NFB getting involved and demanding that their web site be made more blind friendly or else they will take legal action? Or are they afraid of big bad Jeff Bezos?

Gerald

On 8/13/2023 4:16 PM, Dennis Long via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Unfortunately they don't care.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk<electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>  On Behalf
> Of Nicole Torcolini via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 4:10 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
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> Cc: Nicole Torcolini<torcolini at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon
>
>       Amazon is not the only company who is doing this, but it does
> seem
to
> be the worst. There is a growing trend that, when changes are made to
> websites--I assume supposedly to make the user experience better for
> sighted people--accessibility/usability is left in the dust, with
> changes often introducing new accessibility problems.
>       As for the Q&A section problem, a quick Google search shows that
> sighted people are asking about this, too. There unfortunately does
> not seem to be a good answer (pun not intended).
>       Not to thread jack, but, on a related note, I am planning to
> start a

> petition to Amazon about the lack of accessibility/usability at every
> step of their purchasing process, including delivery. Please email
> nbtorco at gmail.com  if you are interested in helping draft the petition
> or have stories to tell.
>
> Nicole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk<electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>  On Behalf
> Of Dennis Long via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 11:37 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
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> Cc: Dennis Long<dennisl1982 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon
>
> We need to complain about it.  With amazon's poor track record of
> fixing things they break I expect this not  to be fixed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk<electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>  On Behalf
> Of cheez via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 2:33 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
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> Cc:cheez at cox.net
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon
>
> Maybe they are akin to the geniuses at Apple.  They too seem to not
> leave things alone when they do updates.
>
> Vince
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk<electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org>  On Behalf
> Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 8:47 AM
> To: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Gerald Levy<bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Q&A on Amazon
>
>
> Yes, I have noticed this change also.  When I click on the question
> link, nothinghappens.  Also, there is no longer a link labeled, see
> all
reviews.
> It used to be possible to get to the questions from the customer
> reviews page, but no longer.  Why can't the geniuses at Amazon leave
> well enough alone?
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On 8/13/2023 11:13 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> I've gotten good info on Amazon from the "ask a question" section,
>> but now I can't find it at all.  I see a link that says "10 answered
>> questions", but when I hit enter on it it goes nowhere.  Jaws find
>> doesn't find any other instances, either.
>>
>> Did Amazon do away with this feature, or is it just hiding where I'm
>> not finding it?  Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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