[Faith-talk] prophecy

Tue Nov 4 19:41:31 UTC 2008

And this message is ten weeks old.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie C. Vogt" <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy

>I was just listening to a Gospel song I haven't heard in a while:
>
> "It doesn't cost a thing to smile.
> You don't have to pay to laugh.
> You better thank God for that."
>
> I agree with your e-mail and normally wouldn't have reacted, but to me, a
> lot of Caucasian people operate under the thought pattern that
> African-Americans are inferior to them and therefore subservient.  My 
> Pastor
> in Minneapolis had a saying that she told me once in a while:  "If you're
> White, you're right.  When insults directed at Obama came to me on- and
> off-list, I felt those signals and those injuries, and to me, they were
> directed only at him, but old and new friends, and my wonderful sweetheart
> in Austin, Texas, because that's what much of White America thinks and 
> feels
> and expresses.  There were people who were going to drop 40# bags of human
> waste at Obama when he gave his Democrat Party acceptance speech and James
> Dobson wanted all his followers and listeners to pray for rain when he did
> give his acceptance speech. I have been so enriched by multi-cultural
> churches, plus my now-deceased brother-in-law was Japanese and I have a
> Japanese-American niece.  My step-father, also deceased, was Spanish.  We
> had family Christmases I wouldn't trade the world for.  It was comical
> eating tacos, fried chicken, and sushi for dinner, but now it's a most
> wonderful memory.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mary wurtzel" <marywurtzel at comcast.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy
>
>
>> Dear Friends,
>> I shouldn't claim to know the heart of God, but I can't help
>> feeling that He is saddened by what is going on inthe Church.
>> His people are not just disagreeing about the political issues
>> and candidates of the day, we are hating each other and judging
>> each other for our differing views.  It's fine for us to have
>> deep convictions, I have them, and things are real difficult for
>> me to figure out right now.  Maybe some Christians seem
>> missguided to other Christians, but love does cover a multitude
>> of sins.  May the Spirit guide us all, but may we love one
>> another.
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Julie C.  Vogt" <jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>,"Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>> faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:42:07 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy
>>
>>>Looks like there's enough offense on this list to go around.
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>> human
>>>soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>
>>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>> their
>>>contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19.  KJV
>>
>>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>
>>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev.  Jesse Jackson, Operation
>> Push, 1976.
>>
>>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness
>> can be
>>>reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>> the Late Dr.
>>>Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation of the
>> Blind.
>>
>>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Frank Lordi" <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com
>>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 6:02 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy
>>
>>
>>
>>>> I take great offense at the below comment.
>>
>>>> To suggest that white churches are predjudiced because they are
>> white,
>>>> seems.....i dont know.......racist?
>>
>>>> Not to mention this is an implied insult to our Christianity?
>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Julie C.  Vogt <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> From: Julie C.  Vogt <jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:22 PM
>>>>> Well, here in Duluth, Minnesota, 150 miles Northeast of the
>>>>> Twin Cities, I
>>>>> must say if you're stuck in a predominantly Caucasian
>>>>> church, at best,
>>>>> you're a nice family pet.  However, I've been in
>>>>> music since 1976 and became
>>>>> a Christian in 1972.  Most of my church experience has been
>>>>> in
>>>>> African-American churches, and there aren't enough
>>>>> really good ones here,
>>>>> although the church I play for now is quite good to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain
>>>>> or freed a human
>>>>> soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>
>>>>> "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong
>>>>> city: and their
>>>>> contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs
>>>>> 18 19.  KJV
>>
>>>>> "Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.,"
>>>>> (unknown)
>>
>>>>> "No one can do it for us but us," Rev.  Jesse
>>>>> Jackson, Operation Push, 1976.
>>
>>>>> "With proper training, development, and opportunity,
>>>>> blindness can be
>>>>> reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or
>>>>> characteristic," the Late Dr.
>>>>> Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation of
>>>>> the Blind.
>>
>>>>> Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "mary wurtzel"
>>>>> <marywurtzel at comcast.net
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:38 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] prophecy
>>
>>
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> I am going to overstep here, also.  Inthe NFB we have
>>>>> always said
>>>>>> that we deal with blindness, end of story.  That is
>>>>> because of
>>>>>> what we are seeing here.  When it comes to cthtain
>>>>> issues,
>>>>>> Federationists are diverse in their views.
>>>>>> I would like to propose that this list have a
>>>>> discussion about
>>>>>> how, we, as people who are blind, participate in our
>>>>> places of
>>>>>> faith.  Maybe this was already done, but I didn't
>>>>> hear it.
>>>>>> I just want to say that Fred and I are very well
>>>>> accepted.  I
>>>>>> can't think of a time when we were cautioned not
>>>>> to try anything
>>>>>> that we wanted to take on because we are blind.
>>>>>> Mary Wurtzel
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