[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Julie C. Vogt jcvogt at pressenter.com
Mon Nov 10 01:30:42 UTC 2008 

Beth, and if they believe in God, it's about a real relationship with God, 
not just something to walk in and out of according to whether it suits 
purposes or times are good or bad, and not just a lip service thing.  NOW I 
AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY INSINUATIONS HERE.  You can love an 
unconditionally loving God with conditions and not always be aware of it 
yourself.  The devil doesn't have any new tricks, but new faces.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> Never mind.  I keep telling you it is called a sin in the bible...if you 
> don't want to believe that God calls it a sin, I can't say anything to 
> sway you.
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
>   There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither 
> is there any rock like our God.
> 1 Samuel 2:2
> ~~~
>
> Alan D Wheeler
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
>> We're talking about a country where not everybody believes in God.  We
>> Christians are shoving God down the throats of those who don't know
>> him.  We need to pray for the homosexuals and those who are
>> experiencing a so-called sin ad we need to be nicer to these people
>> for God's own sake.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin and abomination by God. 
>>> So
>>> you think we should allow people to continue to sin against God?
>>>
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>>    We know that all things work together for good for those who love 
>>> God, to
>>> those
>>> who are called according to his purpose.
>>>  Romans 8:28
>>> ~~~
>>>
>>> Alan D Wheeler
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage is about love, not
>>>> procreative reasons only.  I've known friends who've gotten married as
>>>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody thought that marriage
>>>> should at least be for those that can participate in it as well?
>>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage, think of it this way: we
>>>> are forcing religion on the people, which God really doesn't want us
>>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove God down the throats of
>>>> those who don't know him, but to spread God's love to them, to let
>>>> them be free people.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> Beth,
>>>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage was designed by God to be 
>>>>> between a
>>>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue because I said it.  Study the Bible
>>>>> and
>>>>> if you still don't like it, then you have to take it up with God.  It 
>>>>> was
>>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>>
>>>>>    The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he 
>>>>> is
>>>>> my
>>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>>>>  habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't care if Obama's half-black.  God's people will come to
>>>>>> understand a few things:
>>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not between "one man and one woman".  It
>>>>>> is between two able parties, same o different sex, that are actually
>>>>>> willing to stay together.  Our high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our children herein America.
>>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.  If it's something that has to do
>>>>>> with the mother's life and health, then that's the only exception.
>>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons are not good ones.
>>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have equal rights to vote, gain 
>>>>>> security
>>>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes, Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>>>>> not be against him.  I'm a Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many years.  ANything having to do
>>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm concerned.  Next, what will happen 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> a woman is in the White House?  What about a blind woman? lol
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm not against our president elect because he's
>>>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half black.  That's neither here nor
>>>>>>> there.  It's mainly because he's the most liberal of all in 
>>>>>>> Congress,
>>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.  I sent those things to you because I
>>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out from the mainstream media.  But the
>>>>>>> election has made history, and God's people need to be more vigilent
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>It happened by accident.  When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>>>>in-box--those of you who did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>>>>>>>accusations hurt everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>>>>Church, and people who attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>>>>attack ever since last March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>>>>>>>attending and became saved in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>>>>>>>church what they did in the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>>>>>>>African-Americans weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>>>>but "Servants obey your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If people say what people have said about one another's churches
>>>>>>>>ever since last March, referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>>>>in arms.  Let us all be more careful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>>>>citizens building today why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>>>>>>>were last Thursday night, Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>>>>I read what you particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>>>>morning while  I was getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>>>>we can understand one another better now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  has been
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>>>>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>>>>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. 
>>>>>>>>KJV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation 
>>>>>>>>Push,
>>>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>>>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>>>>of the Blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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