[Faith-talk] More about homosexuality.

[Corey Cook]

No Beth,
There are no verses speaking of Jesus hanging out with gays.
However, he did say sin did not cause the man to be blind.
Please don't read into scripture what is not there.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:34 AM
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> What about the verses that speak of the blind man being healed?  As I
> said in a previous e-mail, what about Jesus hanging out with
> homosexuals?  Did he do that?  Um, somebody open their inner eyes.
> Beth
>
> On 11/9/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>> This is an excellent read.
>> I am going to post 4 articles here in a minute that bring some more light 
>> to
>> the issue.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:53 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] More about homosexuality.
>>
>>
>>>I went to www.biblegateway.com to see what I could find about 
>>>homosexuality
>>>
>>>and the bible.  This was among the resources.  So, again I say, and this 
>>>is
>>>
>>>my last comment on the subject, if you disagree that marriage is only for
>>>men and women, then your argument is with God.  It's in His book.
>>>
>>> http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights#marriage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sanctity of Marriage
>>> In recent years, the homosexual movement has centered on giving
>>> marriage-like benefits to gay couples. Many in the culture have 
>>> mistakenly
>>>
>>> concluded that marriage is merely an institution for the convenience of
>>> adults. In actuality, marriage is the bedrock institution for culture to
>>> sustain itself through having and nurturing children. There are
>>> complementary aspects to a man and woman that are important to the
>>> instutution of marriage which go beyond the obvious physical attributes.
>>> There are things that a man needs that can only be provided by a woman,
>>> and vice versa.
>>>
>>> These complementary aspects are important to the relationship of the
>>> couple itself, as well as to the children. One does not have to appeal 
>>> to
>>> religion to instinctively understand this. Yet statistics verify the
>>> structure of the traditional family as the approach to raising children
>>> that gives the best measurable results. The overwhelming body of social
>>> science research agrees that children do best when raised in homes with
>>> married, opposite-sex parents. Every child has the right to both a mom 
>>> and
>>>
>>> a dad.
>>>
>>> Yet we cannot divorce the institution of marriage from its theological
>>> roots. We acknowledge that marriage is an institution given by God
>>> (Genesis 2:24). The Creator of the Universe established the relationship
>>> between a man and a woman, thus it is a divine institution, not a human
>>> one. To confer marriage-like rights to gays is not the prerogative of
>>> people (Matthew 19:6). (This includes civil unions or domestic
>>> partnerships, as they are merely marriage by other names.) Defining
>>> marriage is the prerogative of God. Whatever may tend to undermine the
>>> institution of marriage would also undermine the authority of God, as 
>>> well
>>>
>>> as hurt society.
>>>
>>> Liberals may argue, "Why should we arbitrarily select only heterosexual
>>> couples for marriage? What can it hurt if two homosexuals want to 
>>> marry?"
>>> The answer is surprisingly simple. The institution of marriage between 
>>> and
>>>
>>> man a woman is not, in fact, arbitrary. It's purpose is clear and of
>>> utmost importance to society.
>>>
>>> David Orland in an article entitled "The Deceit of Gay Marriage" puts it
>>> very well. He says:
>>>
>>>  To justify giving privileges or exemptions or subsidies to some
>>> particular group in society, the benefit of doing so for society at 
>>> large
>>> must first be shown. With heterosexual marriage, the case is clear 
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Heterosexual marriage is a matter of genuine social interest because the
>>> family is essential to society's reproduction. The crux of my argument, 
>>> in
>>>
>>> other words, was that married couples receive the benefits they do, not
>>> because the state is interested in promoting romantic love, or because 
>>> the
>>>
>>> Bible says so or because of the influence of special interest groups but
>>> rather because the next generation is something that is and should be of
>>> interest to all of us. And, by definition, this is not a case that can 
>>> be
>>> made for homosexual unions. To that degree, the attempt to turn the
>>> question of domestic partnership into a debate about fairness falls 
>>> flat.
>>>
>>>  The more persistent supporters of domestic partnership will of course
>>> respond to this argument by pointing to the case in which homosexual
>>> partners adopt children or, in the case of lesbians, undergo artificial
>>> insemination. The intention here is to show that the nuclear family is
>>> found even among homosexual couples and that, to that extent, homosexual
>>> unions do indeed meet the same criterion of social interest as
>>> heterosexual ones and thus should be granted legal status. It is a weak
>>> argument and one that ultimately back-fires on those who employ it. This
>>> is for two reasons:
>>>
>>>  First, adoption by homosexual couples is still exceedingly rare and the
>>> law-though many are surprised to learn this-is aimed at the general 
>>> case.
>>> To confer legal benefits on the entire class of would-be homosexual
>>> spouses just because some very small minority of this class approximates
>>> the pattern of the nuclear family would be a bit like admitting all
>>> applicants to a select university on the grounds that a few of them had
>>> been shown to meet the entrance requirements.
>>>
>>>  Second, the right of this small minority to the benefits of marriage is
>>> dubious in the extreme. Homosexual "families" of whatever type are 
>>> always
>>> and necessarily parasitic on heterosexual ones.
>>>
>>> Every child has the right to a mom and a dad. See 5 Reasons Why Same-Sex
>>> Marriage Harms Children.
>>>
>>> But homosexuals not only want fair treatment, they are pushing for 
>>> "Super
>>> Rights." According the Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute:
>>>
>>>  "Every member of society has a duty to contribute to the commonwealth.
>>> Yet the empirical evidence indicates that those who engage in
>>> homosexuality 1) contribute less and cost more in goods and services, 2)
>>> disproportionately disrupt social functioning, and 3) have few children
>>> while being more apt to harm them. Thus, homosexual practioners not only
>>> fail to 'pay for their keep,' but by their negative influence on 
>>> children,
>>>
>>> cloud society's future.
>>>
>>>  Those who engage in homosexuality seek what they say are 'gay rights." 
>>> In
>>>
>>> reality, they are demanding Super Rights. Super Rights are those
>>> privileges that allow one to ovverride the inalienable rights of other
>>> citizens, such as freedom of speech and association. These Super
>>> Rights-which are conferred by 'non-discrimination,' 'hate crime,' and
>>> 'hate speech' laws-allow homosexuals, if they so choose, to endanger or
>>> punish those who would exercise their associational rights to avoid them
>>> or protect their children from them.
>>>
>>>  As an example, empirical studies to date indicate that a male teacher 
>>> who
>>>
>>> practices homosexuality is the most likely kind of teacher to sexually
>>> molest students. A principal knowing this may not want to hire a teacher
>>> who declares his homosexual interests. But if that teacher wants the 
>>> job,
>>> his Super Rights trump the associational rights of the principal as well
>>> as the right of students not to experience extra risk (especially since
>>> safety is part of their right to life). Parents renting out one side of
>>> their duplex may not want to place their children at risk by renting to 
>>> a
>>> gay couple. But if-even on a whim - the homosexuals want the duplex, 
>>> their
>>>
>>> Super Rights trump the property and associational rights of the parents 
>>> as
>>>
>>> well as their children's right not to be exposed to potential 
>>> molestation.
>>>
>>>  The Super Rights of homosexual practitioners also squelch the right of
>>> others to freedom of speech. If a broadcaster opines that homosexual sex
>>> is dangerous, but a homosexual finds such speech 'offensive,' his Super
>>> Rights trump the broadcaster's freedom of speech and the broadcaster may
>>> be fined or imprisoned."
>>>
>>> The concept of hate crimes seems particularly reprehensible. If one of
>>> your (heterosexual) loved ones is the object of a despicable crime, the
>>> perpetrator would receive a lesser punishment than someone who committed
>>> the same act against someone who practices homosexual sex!
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>>   He has made clear to you, O man, what is good; and what is desired 
>>> from
>>> you by the Lord; only doing what is
>>> right, and loving mercy, and walking without pride before your God. 
>>> Micah
>>> 6:8
>>> ~~~
>>>
>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
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>> Corey Cook
>>
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