[Faith-talk] False Accusations
Alan Wheeler
awheeler at neb.rr.com
Mon Nov 10 08:43:03 UTC 2008
Exactly! The devil manages to make the most sinful behavior appear to be very appealing and desirable. That's because he knows that that very sin separates us from God. The more we willfully sin, the further apart we get from God. God's word tells us to flee from such sin.
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There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1 Samuel 2:2
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Lordi" <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> The bible clearly states that homosexual sex is an abomination.
>
> This is one of the hardest things about believing. We must submit to God's law. We are 'a stif fnecked people' so this is difficult but we must do it. We need not understand, we need not agree, but we must obey. Our Lord says those are his friends who keep his commands. So if we want to be his friend, we must accept among other things, that homosexual sex is a sin.
>
> Perhaps it will help to look at it this way. I like women a great deal. I cannot stop liking women. Often times i 'want' badly to have relations with said women, but God's law says no, so i must follow this or accept the wages of sin.
>
> The same goes for homosexuals, for cleptomaniacs, for the greedy, the hopeless, etc. We all have our crosses to carry, our temptations to resist.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> From: BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:49 PM
>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and
>> wife is a sin.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for
>> the discussion of faith and
>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>> > Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what? What
>> about the
>> > homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each
>> other and cannot
>> > be attracted to opposite sex members? I again may
>> mention that I have
>> > friends who are gay/lesbian. And I am pleased with
>> Obama in the white
>> > house. God knows what's best, and I believe in a
>> God who loves all,
>> > and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a
>> sin between
>> > those who can physically have someone of the opposite
>> sex along with
>> > being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.
>> Take my
>> > ex-boyfriend for instance. He likes women, but if he
>> went to sleep
>> > with a young college friend of mine who I know is
>> attracted to girls,
>> > THAT is a sin. But if my friend who is lesbian went
>> to sleep with the
>> > equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin. We must
>> love everybody
>> > unconditionally, and we must not say that they are
>> committing a sin
>> > unless they really are and have the brain chemicals
>> made up so that
>> > they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex. I
>> am attracted to
>> > menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate,
>> for instance,
>> > that would be a in in itself. I am blind, and if I
>> married a blind
>> > man, that would be fine. But the way this country and
>> the bible seems
>> > to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out
>> and next will be
>> > blindness. Before we know it, our listservs will be
>> in jeopardy, an
>> > then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read,
>> go to college, and if
>> > the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack
>> Obama's not
>> > watching over us, we will be wearing veils if
>> we're female. I for one
>> > do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to
>> ever pop up again
>> > on this listserv. I want to play it straight: it may
>> be a sin, but
>> > unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual
>> cannot be changed if
>> > they are truly homosexual. I understand my friends,
>> and they are good
>> > people. They are going to college and they are going
>> to be band and
>> > chorus teachers. Do you people thin that these girls
>> I'm friends with
>> > shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young
>> children because they
>> > are homosexuals? According to the weird article I
>> read, yes. But I'd
>> > hire them any time.
>> > Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>> > Beth
>> >
>> > On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi
>> <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood
>> guilt'?
>> >>
>> >> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook
>> <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of
>> faith and religion"
>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>> >>> Homosexuality is sin.
>> >>> Read Romans 1
>> >>> read first Corinthians 6
>> >>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all
>> sinners, but
>> >>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is
>> sin!
>> >>> It is a sin that will be the end of this
>> country if we
>> >>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>> >>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan
>> Wheeler"
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>> faith and
>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Never mind. I keep telling you it is
>> called a sin in
>> >>> the bible...if you don't want to believe
>> that God calls
>> >>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway
>> you.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > +-+-+-
>> >>> >
>> >>> > There is none holy as the LORD: for
>> there is none
>> >>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like
>> our God.
>> >>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>> >>> > ~~~
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Alan D Wheeler
>> >>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >>> > Skype: redwheel1
>> >>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM
>> to 1 PM
>> >>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
>> "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion
>> of faith and
>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>> Accusations
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> We're talking about a country
>> where not
>> >>> everybody believes in God. We
>> >>> >> Christians are shoving God down the
>> throats of
>> >>> those who don't know
>> >>> >> him. We need to pray for the
>> homosexuals and
>> >>> those who are
>> >>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we
>> need to be
>> >>> nicer to these people
>> >>> >> for God's own sake.
>> >>> >> Beth
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality
>> is called a
>> >>> sin and abomination by God. So
>> >>> >>> you think we should allow people
>> to continue
>> >>> to sin against God?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> +-+-+-
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> We know that all things work
>> together for
>> >>> good for those who love God, to
>> >>> >>> those
>> >>> >>> who are called according to his
>> purpose.
>> >>> >>> Romans 8:28
>> >>> >>> ~~~
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
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>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> From: "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>> discussion of
>> >>> faith and religion"
>> >>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008
>> 10:44 AM
>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>> Accusations
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> I would have toagree with
>> Julie. Marriage
>> >>> is about love, not
>> >>> >>>> procreative reasons only.
>> I've known
>> >>> friends who've gotten married as
>> >>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.
>> Also, has anybody
>> >>> thought that marriage
>> >>> >>>> should at least be for those
>> that can
>> >>> participate in it as well?
>> >>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on
>> same-sex
>> >>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>> >>> >>>> are forcing religion on the
>> people, which
>> >>> God really doesn't want us
>> >>> >>>> to do. To be Christ-like is
>> not to shove
>> >>> God down the throats of
>> >>> >>>> those who don't know him,
>> but to
>> >>> spread God's love to them, to let
>> >>> >>>> them be free people.
>> >>> >>>> Beth
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>> Beth,
>> >>> >>>>> I gently disagree with
>> you. Marriage
>> >>> was designed by God to be between a
>> >>> >>>>> man and a woman.
>> Don't take issue
>> >>> because I said it. Study the Bible
>> >>> >>>>> and
>> >>> >>>>> if you still don't
>> like it, then
>> >>> you have to take it up with God. It was
>> >>> >>>>> His idea to begin with,
>> not man's.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> The LORD is my
>> strength and song,
>> >>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>> >>> >>>>> my
>> >>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare
>> him an
>> >>> >>>>> habitation; my
>> father's God, and
>> >>> I will exalt him.
>> >>> >>>>> Exodus 15:2
>> >>> >>>>> ~~~
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>> >>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
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>> outlaw-cowboy at live.com
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>> Fridays from 10
>> >>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>> >>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> >>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for
>> the
>> >>> discussion of faith and religion"
>> >>> >>>>>
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November
>> 09, 2008 7:29
>> >>> AM
>> >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk]
>> False
>> >>> Accusations
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> I don't care if
>> Obama's
>> >>> half-black. God's people will come to
>> >>> >>>>>> understand a few
>> things:
>> >>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for
>> example, is not
>> >>> between "one man and one woman". It
>> >>> >>>>>> is between two able
>> parties, same
>> >>> o different sex, that are actually
>> >>> >>>>>> willing to stay
>> together. Our
>> >>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>> >>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad
>> for our
>> >>> children herein America.
>> >>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should
>> never happen.
>> >>> If it's something that has to do
>> >>> >>>>>> with the mother's
>> life and
>> >>> health, then that's the only exception.
>> >>> >>>>>> But rape and birth
>> control reasons
>> >>> are not good ones.
>> >>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can
>> and wwill have
>> >>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>> >>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.
>> Yes,
>> >>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>> >>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot
>> more
>> >>> Christian than Bush was. But God's people
>> must
>> >>> >>>>>> not be against him.
>> I'm a
>> >>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>> >>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat
>> Kennedy by so
>> >>> many years. ANything having to do
>> >>> >>>>>> with race is out as
>> far as I'm
>> >>> concerned. Next, what will happen when
>> >>> >>>>>> a woman is in the
>> White House?
>> >>> What about a blind woman? lol
>> >>> >>>>>> Beth
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda
>> Mentink
>> >>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry,
>> too. I'm
>> >>> not against our president elect because
>> he's
>> >>> >>>>>>> black. Fact is,
>> he's half
>> >>> black. That's neither here nor
>> >>> >>>>>>> there. It's
>> mainly
>> >>> because he's the most liberal of all in
>> Congress,
>> >>> >>>>>>> and I believe
>> that a lot of
>> >>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>> >>> >>>>>>> sworn in.
>> We'll see what
>> >>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>> >>> >>>>>>> the rest in
>> authority over us.
>> >>> I sent those things to you because I
>> >>> >>>>>>> knew you
>> wouldn't find out
>> >>> from the mainstream media. But the
>> >>> >>>>>>> election has made
>> history, and
>> >>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>> >>> >>>>>>> than
>> >>> >>>>>>> ever.
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Linda
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM
>> 11/8/2008, you
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>>> It happened
>> by accident.
>> >>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>> >>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those
>> of you who
>> >>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>> >>> >>>>>>>> new
>> President-elect, I
>> >>> wrote what I wrote. Now you know how false
>> >>> >>>>>>>> accusations
>> hurt
>> >>> everybody. Because of one man the
>> African-American
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Church, and
>> people who
>> >>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>> >>> >>>>>>>> attack ever
>> since last
>> >>> March with no let-up. Ever since I began
>> >>> >>>>>>>> attending and
>> became saved
>> >>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've
>> heard dirty,
>> >>> dirty comments like: "they just do in
>> their
>> >>> >>>>>>>> church what
>> they did in
>> >>> the slave days." In the slave days,
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> African-Americans
>> >>> weren't permitted to know anything of the
>> Bible
>> >>> >>>>>>>> but
>> "Servants obey
>> >>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> If people say
>> what people
>> >>> have said about one another's churches
>> >>> >>>>>>>> ever since
>> last March,
>> >>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be
>> up
>> >>> >>>>>>>> in arms. Let
>> us all be
>> >>> more careful.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> It hit me
>> like a
>> >>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a
>> senior
>> >>> >>>>>>>> citizens
>> building today
>> >>> why you all were upset. And as upset as you
>> >>> >>>>>>>> were last
>> Thursday night,
>> >>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>> >>> >>>>>>>> I read what
>> you
>> >>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a
>> Sunday
>> >>> >>>>>>>> morning while
>> I was
>> >>> getting ready for church. I'm sorry and
>> maybe
>> >>> >>>>>>>> we can
>> understand one
>> >>> another better now.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> has been
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty
>> to petrified
>> >>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>> >>> >>>>>>>> human
>> soul," American
>> >>> Humorist Mark Twain
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "An
>> attack on one of
>> >>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr.
>> Kenneth
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan,
>> Immediate Past
>> >>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "A
>> brother offended
>> >>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>> >>> >>>>>>>> their
>> contentions are like
>> >>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19.
>> KJV
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Faith
>> is the ability
>> >>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "No one
>> can do it for
>> >>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation
>> Push,
>> >>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "With
>> proper
>> >>> training, development, and opportunity,
>> blindness can
>> >>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to
>> the level of
>> >>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>> >>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr.
>> Kenneth
>> >>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>> >>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>> >>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>
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