[Faith-talk] For Beth: homosexuals unchangeable WAS Re: False Accusations

Alan Wheeler awheeler at neb.rr.com
Mon Nov 10 08:48:20 UTC 2008 

Beth,
Your friends can be changed.  God can change them.  God didn't design them to be homosexuals.  If you believe that, you are believing a lie.

Let me look up resources where homosexuals have given up their lifestyles for the sake of God and Jesus Christ, are you open to that?


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what?  What about the
> homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each other and cannot
> be attracted to opposite sex members?  I again may mention that I have
> friends who are gay/lesbian.  And I am pleased with Obama in the white
> house.  God knows what's best, and I believe in a God who loves all,
> and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a sin between
> those who can physically have someone of the opposite sex along with
> being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.  Take my
> ex-boyfriend for instance.  He likes women, but if he went to sleep
> with a young college friend of mine who I know is attracted to girls,
> THAT is a sin.  But if my friend who is lesbian went to sleep with the
> equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin.  We must love everybody
> unconditionally, and we must not say that they are committing a sin
> unless they really are and have the brain chemicals made up so that
> they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex.  I am attracted to
> menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate, for instance,
> that would be a in in itself.  I am blind, and if I married a blind
> man, that would be fine.  But the way this country and the bible seems
> to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out and next will be
> blindness.  Before we know it, our listservs will be in jeopardy, an
> then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read, go to college, and if
> the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack Obama's not
> watching over us, we will be wearing veils if we're female.  I for one
> do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to ever pop up again
> on this listserv.  I want to play it straight: it may be a sin, but
> unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual cannot be changed if
> they are truly homosexual.  I understand my friends, and they are good
> people.  They are going to college and they are going to be band and
> chorus teachers.  Do you people thin that these girls I'm friends with
> shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young children because they
> are homosexuals?  According to the weird article I read, yes.  But I'd
> hire them any time.
> Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
> Beth
> 
> On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood guilt'?
>>
>> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>>> Homosexuality is sin.
>>> Read Romans 1
>>> read first Corinthians 6
>>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all sinners, but
>>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is sin!
>>> It is a sin that will be the end of this country if we
>>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wheeler"
>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>> > Never mind.  I keep telling you it is called a sin in
>>> the bible...if you don't want to believe that God calls
>>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway you.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > +-+-+-
>>> >
>>> >   There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none
>>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
>>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>>> > ~~~
>>> >
>>> > Alan D Wheeler
>>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> > Skype: redwheel1
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>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth"
>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> We're talking about a country where not
>>> everybody believes in God.  We
>>> >> Christians are shoving God down the throats of
>>> those who don't know
>>> >> him.  We need to pray for the homosexuals and
>>> those who are
>>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we need to be
>>> nicer to these people
>>> >> for God's own sake.
>>> >> Beth
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a
>>> sin and abomination by God. So
>>> >>> you think we should allow people to continue
>>> to sin against God?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> +-+-+-
>>> >>>
>>> >>>    We know that all things work together for
>>> good for those who love God, to
>>> >>> those
>>> >>> who are called according to his purpose.
>>> >>>  Romans 8:28
>>> >>> ~~~
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
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>>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
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>>> PM eastern time at
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>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Beth"
>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>>> faith and religion"
>>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage
>>> is about love, not
>>> >>>> procreative reasons only.  I've known
>>> friends who've gotten married as
>>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody
>>> thought that marriage
>>> >>>> should at least be for those that can
>>> participate in it as well?
>>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex
>>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>>> >>>> are forcing religion on the people, which
>>> God really doesn't want us
>>> >>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove
>>> God down the throats of
>>> >>>> those who don't know him, but to
>>> spread God's love to them, to let
>>> >>>> them be free people.
>>> >>>> Beth
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Beth,
>>> >>>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage
>>> was designed by God to be between a
>>> >>>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue
>>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> if you still don't like it, then
>>> you have to take it up with God.  It was
>>> >>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>    The LORD is my strength and song,
>>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>>> >>>>> my
>>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>> >>>>>  habitation; my father's God, and
>>> I will exalt him.
>>> >>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>> >>>>> ~~~
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> >>>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10
>>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>>> discussion of faith and religion"
>>> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29
>>> AM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>> Accusations
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I don't care if Obama's
>>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>>> >>>>>> understand a few things:
>>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
>>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>>> >>>>>> is between two able parties, same
>>> o different sex, that are actually
>>> >>>>>> willing to stay together.  Our
>>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our
>>> children herein America.
>>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.
>>> If it's something that has to do
>>> >>>>>> with the mother's life and
>>> health, then that's the only exception.
>>> >>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons
>>> are not good ones.
>>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
>>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes,
>>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more
>>> Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>> >>>>>> not be against him.  I'm a
>>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so
>>> many years.  ANything having to do
>>> >>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
>>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>> >>>>>> a woman is in the White House?
>>> What about a blind woman? lol
>>> >>>>>> Beth
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm
>>> not against our president elect because he's
>>> >>>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half
>>> black.  That's neither here nor
>>> >>>>>>> there.  It's mainly
>>> because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>> >>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of
>>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>>> >>>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what
>>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>> >>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.
>>>  I sent those things to you because I
>>> >>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
>>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>>> >>>>>>> election has made history, and
>>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>>> >>>>>>> than
>>> >>>>>>> ever.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Linda
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> It happened by accident.
>>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those of you who
>>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>>> >>>>>>>> new President-elect, I
>>> wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>> >>>>>>>> accusations hurt
>>> everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>> >>>>>>>> Church, and people who
>>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>>> >>>>>>>> attack ever since last
>>> March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>> >>>>>>>> attending and became saved
>>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard dirty,
>>> dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>> >>>>>>>> church what they did in
>>> the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>> >>>>>>>> African-Americans
>>> weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>> >>>>>>>> but "Servants obey
>>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> If people say what people
>>> have said about one another's churches
>>> >>>>>>>> ever since last March,
>>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>> >>>>>>>> in arms.  Let us all be
>>> more careful.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> It hit me like a
>>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>> >>>>>>>> citizens building today
>>> why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>> >>>>>>>> were last Thursday night,
>>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>> >>>>>>>> I read what you
>>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>> >>>>>>>> morning while  I was
>>> getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>> >>>>>>>> we can understand one
>>> another better now.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>  has been
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty to petrified
>>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>> >>>>>>>> human soul," American
>>> Humorist Mark Twain
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "An attack on one of
>>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan, Immediate Past
>>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "A brother offended
>>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>> >>>>>>>> their contentions are like
>>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "Faith is the ability
>>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "No one can do it for
>>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "With proper
>>> training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to the level of
>>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr. Kenneth
>>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
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