[Faith-talk] Fw: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08

Thu Nov 13 22:35:59 UTC 2008

Julie, it's not lawful for Christians to confiscate wedding rings and
marriage licenses.  I can see it happening to me because of my
blindness and if I married anybody.  With homosexuals, there is
persecution of them in the Christian crowd, and the confiscation of a
marriage license and a wedding ring would not be enough to stop the
couple's love for each other.
Beth

On 11/13/08, Everett Gavel <everettg at successfuladaptations.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, some of you seem to have misunderstood
> what was forwarded.  Please read again, and read
> slowly, with some attention to the details.  The bit
> about the two mormons visiting and forcing themselves
> into the home of the "lesbian couple," was a political
> *advertisement* against Prop 8.  It was not real.  What
> was real, however, and was the reason I forwarded it,
> was to show that the hatred and (although minor, thus
> far, compared to other countries) persecution of
> Christians is here and alive in the USA.
>
> Strive On,
> Everett
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> that's weird -- I doubt the 2 young men in the report
> were really mormon
> missionaries as while the mormons campaign vigorously
> against same sex
> marriage, they wouldn't have committed a crime
> (stealing rings and
> ransacking a house). Must have been a front used by 2
> guys looking for
> trouble.
> My church is adamantly against same sex unions, but I
> personally wonder
> about the justification for banning them as the people
> involved would be
> living a gay lifestyle to begin with and changing the
> legal status wouldn't
> affect anyone else -- I understand wanting the name to
> be different: "civil
> union" as opposed to marriage.  My friends at church
> say they oppose any
> kind of union as that would put them in a contract that
> would be harder to
> get out of should they change their mindset, even if
> the contract was not
> deemed a "marriage".
> Is this a can of worms that we don't want to open on
> this list?
> I have to teach a lesson on marriage this coming sunday
> so am thinking about
> it in case one of the kids brings it up...
> Take care.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BreakPoint" <prison_fellowship at informz.net>
> Subject: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08
>
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> So Much for Tolerance
> The Aftermath of Prop 8
>
> November 13, 2008
>
> The ad ran all over California on Election Day -- and
> surely sets a record for anti-religious bigotry. Two
> clean-cut young men knock at the door of a lesbian
> couple. The men identify themselves as Mormon
> missionaries. "We're here to take away your rights,"
> they announce.
>
> They snatch the women's wedding rings off their fingers
> and ransack their home. When they find the couple's
> marriage license, they rip it in half. "Say no to a
> church taking over your government," the voiceover
> says. "Vote 'no' on Proposition 8."
>
> Despite such vicious attacks, California's Proposition
> 8, which defined marriage as between one man and one
> woman, passed. But the assaults on churches have just
> begun.
>
> Two days after the election, 2,000 homosexual
> protesters surrounded a Mormon temple in Los Angeles
> chanting "Mormon scum." Protesters picketed Rick
> Warren's Saddleback Church, holding signs reading
> "Purpose-Driven Hate." Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills
> was spray painted. Church members' cars have been
> vandalized, and at least two Christians were assaulted.
> Protesters even hurled racial epithets at
> African-Americans because African-Americans voted
> overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage.
>
> This is an outrage. What hypocrisy from those who spend
> all of their time preaching tolerance to the rest of
> us!  How dare they threaten and attack political
> opponents? We live a democratic country, not a banana
> republic ruled by thugs.
>
> Clearly, Christians need to redouble their efforts to
> help people understand what marriage is all about. In
> Los Angeles, when protesters gathered at the Cathedral
> of Our Lady of the Angels, they chanted, "What Would
> Jesus say?"
>
> That's a good question, and the Church should not
> hesitate to answer it. What would Jesus say about
> same-sex "marriage?"
>
> To get to the answer, let's first understand the
> meaning and purpose of marriage. In his book THE CLASH
> OF ORTHODOXIES, Princeton philosopher Robert George
> writes that matrimonial law reflects a moral
> judgment -- that marriage is inherently heterosexual,
> monogamous, and permanent -- a union of one man and one
> woman.
>
> This view reflects the biblical and natural law
> understanding that marriage is a two-in-one-flesh
> communion of persons. This communion is consummated by
> sexual acts that are reproductive in nature. They unite
> the spouses as a single procreative unit -- an organic
> unity achieved even by infertile couples. Only a mated
> pair can be a complete organism capable of human
> procreation.
>
> Since homosexual acts have no relationship to
> procreation and cannot unite persons organically, these
> acts cannot be marital -- which means relationships
> integrated around them cannot be marriages.
>
> We've got a winsome case, but we've got to get better
> equipped to explain it to our neighbors. You could
> start by reading THE CLASH OF ORTHODOXIES and other
> material available on our website. And then, start
> discussing these issues in your small groups, Sunday
> school classes, and youth groups.
>
> By protecting traditional marriage, we aren't taking
> away anybody's rights. We are simply upholding the
> framework of society's most basic institution, the loss
> of which would irreparably damage our families and our
> society.
>
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