[Faith-talk] Fw: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08

Fri Nov 14 05:33:51 UTC 2008

    I'm sure they would, just as Jahova Witnesses and Christian Scientists 
would also disagree with being classified as cults.  Unfortunately their 
agreement or lack there of does not change the theological and subsequently 
fundamental differences between these cults and Christian churches.

  My two cents.

    In Christ,

    George

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> the mormons would disagree with this assessment -- some beliefs are
> different, but the name of their church is the church of jesus christ and
> they do teach christian principles. in fact they find it puzzling why 
> others
> go out of their way to call them non christian.
> But I have to get back to the issue at hand which is my sunday school 
> lesson
> on sunday and what to say about marriage...
> --le
>
>
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> From: "George McDermith" <george.mcdermith at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:33 PM
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>    I wish to add that Mormans are not Christians, looking at the historic
> and tehological differences between Mormanism and Christianity.  This does
> not however change the fact that on this issue they are quite correct, and
> regardless of whether they are or not no one deserves this sort of absurd
> hatred masking itself as a fire for "tollerence."
>
>    Thanks for this article, I shall post it on my blog, as I believe it
> sums up well the Christian response to the marriage question.
>
>    In Christ,
>
>    G.W.
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> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Everett Gavel" <EverettG at successfuladaptations.com>; "Faith-talk,for
> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:59 AM
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>> Interesting.  I believe those "mormons" and those other so-called
>> Christian hyppocrites did take away the women's rights.  I'm sorry but
>> to end this thread, I want to say that my friends who are gay will not
>> be living in California because of what happened with Prop. 8.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/13/08, Everett Gavel <everettg at successfuladaptations.com> wrote:
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>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:42 AM
>>> Subject: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08
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>>> ***************************
>>> BREAKPOINT DAILY TRANSCRIPT
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>>>
>>> So Much for Tolerance
>>> The Aftermath of Prop 8
>>>
>>> November 13, 2008
>>>
>>> The ad ran all over California on Election Day -- and
>>> surely sets a record for anti-religious bigotry. Two
>>> clean-cut young men knock at the door of a lesbian
>>> couple. The men identify themselves as Mormon
>>> missionaries. "We're here to take away your rights,"
>>> they announce.
>>>
>>> They snatch the women's wedding rings off their fingers
>>> and ransack their home. When they find the couple's
>>> marriage license, they rip it in half. "Say no to a
>>> church taking over your government," the voiceover
>>> says. "Vote 'no' on Proposition 8."
>>>
>>> Despite such vicious attacks, California's Proposition
>>> 8, which defined marriage as between one man and one
>>> woman, passed. But the assaults on churches have just
>>> begun.
>>>
>>> Two days after the election, 2,000 homosexual
>>> protesters surrounded a Mormon temple in Los Angeles
>>> chanting "Mormon scum." Protesters picketed Rick
>>> Warren's Saddleback Church, holding signs reading
>>> "Purpose-Driven Hate." Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills
>>> was spray painted. Church members' cars have been
>>> vandalized, and at least two Christians were assaulted.
>>> Protesters even hurled racial epithets at
>>> African-Americans because African-Americans voted
>>> overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage.
>>>
>>> This is an outrage. What hypocrisy from those who spend
>>> all of their time preaching tolerance to the rest of
>>> us!  How dare they threaten and attack political
>>> opponents? We live a democratic country, not a banana
>>> republic ruled by thugs.
>>>
>>> Clearly, Christians need to redouble their efforts to
>>> help people understand what marriage is all about. In
>>> Los Angeles, when protesters gathered at the Cathedral
>>> of Our Lady of the Angels, they chanted, "What Would
>>> Jesus say?"
>>>
>>> That's a good question, and the Church should not
>>> hesitate to answer it. What would Jesus say about
>>> same-sex "marriage?"
>>>
>>> To get to the answer, let's first understand the
>>> meaning and purpose of marriage. In his book THE CLASH
>>> OF ORTHODOXIES, Princeton philosopher Robert George
>>> writes that matrimonial law reflects a moral
>>> judgment -- that marriage is inherently heterosexual,
>>> monogamous, and permanent -- a union of one man and one
>>> woman.
>>>
>>> This view reflects the biblical and natural law
>>> understanding that marriage is a two-in-one-flesh
>>> communion of persons. This communion is consummated by
>>> sexual acts that are reproductive in nature. They unite
>>> the spouses as a single procreative unit -- an organic
>>> unity achieved even by infertile couples. Only a mated
>>> pair can be a complete organism capable of human
>>> procreation.
>>>
>>> Since homosexual acts have no relationship to
>>> procreation and cannot unite persons organically, these
>>> acts cannot be marital -- which means relationships
>>> integrated around them cannot be marriages.
>>>
>>> We've got a winsome case, but we've got to get better
>>> equipped to explain it to our neighbors. You could
>>> start by reading THE CLASH OF ORTHODOXIES and other
>>> material available on our website. And then, start
>>> discussing these issues in your small groups, Sunday
>>> school classes, and youth groups.
>>>
>>> By protecting traditional marriage, we aren't taking
>>> away anybody's rights. We are simply upholding the
>>> framework of society's most basic institution, the loss
>>> of which would irreparably damage our families and our
>>> society.
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