[Faith-talk] Born again versus born christians or any faithmembers

Fri Jun 18 18:44:17 UTC 2010

Barbara,

    Thanks for your consilitory message of ccommon consensus among
christians. Well, the difference between protestants and catholicism
is about minimum to maximum and tradition versus literial
interpretation of the Holy Book. Either way it goes you will go to
Heaven just in different ways in my opinion. The salvation is done
like you say with repitences and you are given mercy under rare
circumstances depending on God's mercy of your pityful state. Well, I
mean purgatory for example is just another word for somehting else
like judgement of Heaven to Earth or something and making you pure is
the point of being in Heaven.
    Honestly what is the difference so much? The holy water is holy
for a reason so that isn't a problem. The confessional bit is just
having a priest telling you that you are sincere therefore you will be
forgiven for real or not depending on your sincerity. Jesus makes up
the final decision. Praying to Saints and Mother Mary isn't a bit deal
cause it's in the likeness of God not idiotry. The praying to the dead
is something Peter espoused and us catholics believe more than
protestants but we aren't witchcraft Salem Puritans are we? Ironically
Massachusetts is beholden to polish, irish and other catholics now
days like itallians as well. So, what is so bad about catholics?

On 6/18/10, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
> A born-again Christian believes that there is only one way to Heaven.  That
> is accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour of your life.  You don't have to do
> anything to earn that salvation.  You just need to confess that you are a
> sinner and repent of those sins and ask for forgiveness.
> Besides that, all I can say is: if the Bible is wrong I have nothing to
> lose, but if the Bible is the right, I have everything to gain and
> nonbelievers have everything to lose.
> Barbara
>
> ...
> Yesterday is
> A path well-trod,
> A familiar lane
> Through sacred sod,
> A road we travel
> Too often, I fear,
> For there are the good times
> When things are hard here,
> ...
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:39 AM
> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Born again versus born christians or any
> faithmembers
>
>> Le and others:
>>
>>
>>   If your parents, friends or asasociates didn't ask you to join
>> christianity then how would you know to pick christianity? Likewise, I
>> am confused if you don't know of the christian God in the myriad of
>> the competition then why should you go to Hell over it? I also
>> question the division of interpretation of the Bible with different
>> dominations and I understand there are some core principles intact
>> just the infighting is ridiculous. Some southern baptist think sadly
>> that catholics will go to Hell when catholics to my knowledge and
>> experience in the past two months shows me a more opening point of
>> view.
>>    My thing in general about any religion is that people  pick up
>> quotes from it and theologians don't even know the answers. Plus, the
>> hypocracy, blasophomies and corruption rampant in christian thought
>> and other rligions and people want to know why peopple arne't
>> christians or any religion? Th esecular state according to a Pew Forum
>> is growing elsewhere around the world evident in Europe and in America
>> as well. The dictate against political or social ambigeous details
>> like homosexuality, abortions, socialistic health care, feeding the
>> hungry (food stamps), military support, and etc. The fact is that I
>> see contridictions in the Bible versus all christian thought save for
>> universalist like anti-war, universal health care, feeding the hungry,
>> clothing the naked and things along those lines. YOu are to give and
>> not expect anything in return right? How could socialism is considered
>> evil onto itself when charity onto itself isn't sufficent nor has been
>> evident with the Elizabethian Poor Law of 1601, almshouses in 19th
>> century, prisons, food stamps, social security, military conquests and
>> things of that sort.
>>     Quite frankly people I've ran across arre justifying everything
>> from an arbitirary interpretation over a book. We aren't meant to be
>> divided, we are supposed to be united as christians as fellow men and
>> women not divided as we are now. In the south, I see almost no hope
>> what so ever cause of the divisiveness of homogony.
>>
>> On 6/17/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> You know, I hope I don't offend anyone by a humorous line, but I once saw
>>>
>>> a
>>> plaque with a picture of a cute puppy face on it, and the caption said
>>> "blessed are those who expect nothing, for they shall not be
>>> disappointed..."
>>> That may be  a rude play on the beatitudes, but there is a truth in it
>>> that
>>> in a weird way can apply to some of life's situations.  What I mean is,
>>> if
>>> you give someone something not expecting anything in return -- chances
>>> are
>>> you may not get anything in return, but there is that chance that your
>>> good
>>> deed will bear fruit.  In either case, you are not disappointed! *smile*
>>> I know you are talking about the after life and not about daily life, but
>>>
>>> if
>>> we live this life as if we can't expect anything afterwards unless we do
>>> good here, hmm--someone help me -- then if there is nothing, are we
>>> disappointed/? Ok so maybe it doesn't apply exactly. It, after all, is
>>> not a
>>> beatitude, but a play on them.
>>>
>>> That leads me to say, maybe it would be a good idea to reread the
>>> beatitudes -- aren't they in Matthew 5? They are quite uplifting as they
>>> are
>>> all about blessings.
>>> Have a great day, whether or not you expect to! *smile*
>>> --le
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:35 AM
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Born again versus born christians or any faith
>>> members
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
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>>> To list::
>>>
>>>
>>>     I'm wondering what the proportions versus born again to born
>>> christians are in here on this list? This could consist of any faith
>>> and in general to us the blind if possible only. I just find it hard
>>> now that I'm blind to believe in all knowing and all loving God that
>>> cares about me? I question the sincerity, yet I go to church like
>>> others. I wander around in my head whether or not it's all a crock
>>> like Marx stated "Religion is opium for the masses" or there is a all
>>> knowing-loving God out there for us. Another fundamental in general
>>> terms is that there are religions before, during and after the
>>> creation of christianity and who is to say which is right or what is
>>> wrong? I mean it's all geopolitical and the west's default now is
>>> christianity, middle east's Islam, far east being China is buddahist
>>> or Hindi or whatever indigenous religions in the world in Africa to
>>> Latin America. I also question my faith and pray and return
>>> continiously to the same cycle of sin over and over. The apathy of
>>> christians is a self-restrain hypocritical or overly judgemental view
>>> of a narrow interest privledged lifestyle of upbringing into one
>>> unquestionable homogenous faith being christianity. Thankss for any
>>> venting on your part on your voyage to faith or faithlessness as well.
>>> Another thing is that what if you end up at the end of your life and
>>> die to find out either nothing is there or your God wasn't who you
>>> thought in your Bible it was going to be like?
>>>
>>> sincerely,
>>> Pete
>>>
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