[Faith-talk] Fw: your mail -- Fw: Please, folks

[qubit]

I am hoisting a thread that accidently went off list, which apparently was 
not the intention.  If you read down 3 or 4 messages in the thread, you will 
get to where it merges with what was on the list.  Sorry for the 
awkwardness.  It is hard to clear the air without stirring up dust...
Oh and Peter, what do you mean by INTP and PSD? Is INTP a personality type 
from the Meyers-Briggs test?
Again, this thread is mostly friendly so I hope readers will scan through 
it. and if you have constructive comments or corrections, please feel free 
to post.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: your mail -- Fw: [Faith-talk] Please, folks


No, intention wht so ever of going private or off list. I just reply
to the message and boom it's somewhere where I talk to people. Well,
the infant baptism is a majority of christians found this
URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_baptism
note: personally I think that my brother died of crid death and don't
think he is dead. It's a personal issue, so let's not get into it
okay?
    The Quakers seem to be nice. I always think of the Quaker Oats
Oatmeal container everyttime I think of them though! I've had a step
brother with a sister in Utah. Well, at the time I was living in Las
Vegas, Nevada where religion seems to be nonexistant at all. People
use churches in areas like that to have sex behind the church or
dealing drugs in the parking lot or just somewhere as a park not a
church. It takes me back when I used to jay walk on East Lake Meae
Boulevard near Nellis where I used to live. Anyways, mormons have
several controvercial things like people stating they have their own
companion Bible, older multiple wives LDS compounds, strictness on
caffine, alcohol and tobacco and a new plant after we die like another
world. A lot of the information came from someone who is
nondeminational so it appears to be unbiased  as far as sexts of
religions go. All of them to a large extent have things seriously
wrong  even nondeminational ones have issues. If you look hard enough
at anything it can start to look rotten after a while. Also, another
thing to consider is just because you are part of a church doesn't
necessariy mean that you will believe in them.
    Dude, about women being allowed into colleges, my college locally
has to be one of the orignal. I am not sure if it was the first or how
it was ranked but auburn.edu in Auburn, Alabama. We probably have more
female students on average that come here. I also study on the
different christian belief cause they all to a large extent have it
right and have it so wrong with the original meaning of christian. For
example, catholics have the tiny bit too much tradition and baptist
are judgemental, often gluttonist and apathetic in the south on one
political party structure in the south. I can also point out the
others but what is the point? I'm sorry for irritating anyone but I
didn't honestly feel like what I said mattered to anyone's feelings? I
just don't think of feelings cause of my INTP and PSD and such.

On 6/22/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Peter -- did you intend for this discussion to be off list? I wanted to 
> post
> my reply to the list as I thought I was responding to the list. I am just
> checking. Sometimes you send private mail and sometimes to the list, and I
> never know if you really intend it that way.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Please, folks
>
>
> Ok Peter, since you say you didn't mean to sound hateful or to argue, I
> apologize to the extent that I misjudged.   Reading the rest of the
> paragraph though I have to run down to see what all you are responding to.
> As to mormons, they don't believe in infant baptism, believing it is an
> abomination to the Lord since little children are innocent and have not 
> had
> a chance to sin.  I agree with this.  they also believe in obeying the 
> laws
> of the land, and in the separation of church and state -- but from the 
> sound
> of things they are fighting against same sex marriage being legalized, and
> have gotten a lot of backlash for that.  and they are pro life.
> There are things about catholicism that I could never accept, but I know
> many wonderful catholics, and programs that have been sponsored by that
> church.  Protestants take in a whole array of beliefs, and different
> churches have split into disparate churches over acceptance of various
> issues.. but I have been protestant and have had many good experiences
> there.
> I belong to one church, but YI like to read about others. You know, I read 
> a
> book about the Quaker religion -- "Quaker Spirituality" by a Dr Steere
> (spelling probably incorrect).
> That touched me deeply.  They are a church that has dwindled -- in fact,
> they don't call them
> selves a church, but a "religious society of friends", and in fact, they
> played a truely fundamental role in shaping the history of this country --
> they were the first organization to actively oppose slavery, beginning in
> the early 1700s.  They were responsible for a constitution, written for 
> the
> state of Pennsylvania (Penn was a quaker), which was the basis for much of
> what is in our country's constitution.  Susan B Anthony was also a quaker,
> one of the early suffragettes. So yes, I like the quakers, and one day 
> would
> like to attend a quaker meeting.
> Back to the mormons (or LDS church), they are controversial but also quite
> conservative in values.  However, while Wyoming was the first state to 
> give
> women suffrage, Utah was second to pass the law, and the first to hold an
> election in which women voted. BYU, which was founded in 1875, was
> coeducational from the beginning, as they value education for everyone,
> including women.  I believe Notre Dame didn't go coed until some decades
> later...
> So there you have a small amount of information.
> Hope it draws friendly discussion rather than flames.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Please, folks
>
>
> What church then? I mentioned only mormons as an example of
> protestants can also have corruption on par with any organization.
> This was clarified by others opinions on this matter as well. A set of
> beliefs and they are fairly common in christianity as well. For
> example, what church doesn't believe in  prolife or against
> homosexuals getting married? The major ones especially none that I
> know of on the mainstream and maybe some extremist though? There are
> extremist in all segments and I grow weary with arguing with you. Can
> you just apologize and then I apologize? I don't hate you nor did I
> intend on arguing with you and that is the truth. I merely saw
> contridictions in what I see in christianity versus a radical approach
> to my knowledge nobody on a whole agrees with. For example, which
> christian belief stands for capital punishment and why? I would have
> liked to see some quotes about this like the New Testiment as well.
> I've not read the entire Bible nor have I ever and am only recently
> finding faith being a precatholic.
>     So, many you might need to chill out. People always tend to get me
> wrong in person, e-mails and sometimes on the phone. I guess that I am
> not a good communicator but who cares? Seriously I'm only above
> average in writing and this has been proven by a nation wide teachers
> test. I also can read to the level of a legal lawyer but does that
> matter? It makes me no different in any short or large way to anyone
> else. People need to get over their egos and it turns people off in
> organized religion. It's a prime example of younger people leaving the
> flock cause if their parents catch them with a beer they are like "You
> are going to Hell" or "your grounded for a year in your room" or
> something extremel. You are often times alienated with states in rural
> communities cause you don't believe like them, you won't have friends
> unless your a native. If you don't talk, dress and act like them you
> are percieved to be an outside and most of the time you are as such.
> It's sad the disabled in general are treated like this in normal
> circumstances but other times it's just pity that they bring up
> people's small egos to help their fellow man out. Then, you see the
> hypocracy of many christian churches living luxurous lives with fancy
> cars, jewellery, money, big houses and vacation spots all around the
> world people get tired of that kind of stuff. Then, the lack of
> compassion with the homeless and somethings happen just not nearly as
> there should be to cure the world and partly I blame globalization
> with external forces and the crumbling moral decay in our communities
> wit hpop culture destroying folk culture in religion and dictating the
> narrow mindiness of religion is inflexiable and intolerant. These
> among many other things disgust them and the easy way of getting lost
> and I'm talking from persona experience on these topics as I was a
> former atheist and have fiance that isn't into organized religion. I
> can name off people I know in the deep south that aren't into religion
> anymore Mark, Robin, Robin, Tommy,  James, Daniel, Josh and others who
> tire of the supression and dictatorship of the church masses who judge
> us for not believing exactly word for word like you cradle christians
> sadly think is right cause of what some think of as brainwash caus e I
> would have a hunch and say that most 90% of all christians don't read
> the entire Bible anyways.
>
> On 6/22/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> well i guess some churches may run the way you say, but if you have never
>> been to mine, and I tell you it is not the way you describe in your post,
>> then you are attacking needlessly.   And i was referring to one of your
>> posts when you listed a whole array of beliefs and supposed beliefs and
>> then
>> think you understand people and that you are going to win them over to
>> your
>> side, when you don't even understand whom you are attacking.   But here I
>> am
>> answering. I don't have a slingshot so I'll leave Goliath to someone 
>> else.
>> --le
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Please, folks
>>
>>
>> I feel likewise of your post as being judgemental and far from loving.
>> Your point? You hold no superiority and I'd like I said rather not
>> hear judgementalness. YOu unecessarily pointed out a small thing on
>> purpose for an eye for an eye from my prospective. Why else? I don't
>> believe out of love more likley oiut of spite.
>>
>> bye,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 6/22/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I don't argue with people who are only interested in arguing for
>>> argument's
>>> sake.  If you were interested in correcting a person's wrongdoing with
>>> love
>>> in mind, you would not make an all out "shock and awe" attack on a
>>> smattering of groups and erroneous or evil behavior or beliefs. You 
>>> would
>>> take it one at a time. I feel your attack is no more than an attempt to
>>> stir
>>> the pot, and that is not appropriate when you are trying to sort things
>>> out.
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk, for the discussion of
>>> faith
>>> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Please, folks
>>>
>>>
>>> Who said anything about judging other people? Also, if you condone
>>> another person's errand ways about sinning is just like sinning
>>> yourself. This is the problem with most christianity with no
>>> principles anymore. Basically christians are being cow towed to a
>>> secular/business sliced perspective. Christian in church but don't
>>> really live it outside of church. It's really telling when a group of
>>> believers don't care about serious social justice question such as
>>> health care and aiding the poor. How could issues be aroused when they
>>> fall on deaf doors? Religion and politics unlike what the secularist
>>> want you to think are not inseparable as they affect christian and
>>> prospective christians about serious mortal (e.g. Ten Commandments)
>>> violations.
>>>     Basically, I don't feel that arguing helps much about pointing
>>> fingers just respectfully disagree. If the majority were to decide
>>> this, then things of moral instability would still be allowed like
>>> homosexual marriage, abortion, apathy for the poor, unecessary whole
>>> warfare, and etc. What happened to my 1st admendment if anything else?
>>> The freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of assembly and
>>> freedom of expression are indicitive of a democracy of any public
>>> forum in which it's housed. You can just as easily not reply to any
>>> controvercial topics. Yes, forgiving of you and yours as well and I
>>> did not question that problem. People have become so pc in this nation
>>> and what happened to Love Thy Neighbor? If I saw my neighbor
>>> supporting amoral attitudes, I have an obligation to Jesus to speak
>>> out against it.
>>>
>>> On 6/22/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> sometimes topics not of a political nature, but about doctrinal
>>>> variations
>>>> can lead to altercations if people aren't careful.  I tend to dismiss
>>>> such
>>>> discussions with the thought that there is no such thing as a 
>>>> "religious
>>>> argument", since if you start to argue, religion goes out the window.
>>>> I credit Linda with keeping this list a friendly environment. Thank 
>>>> you.
>>>> --le
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>>>> To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Please, folks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you, Linda.  We must always remember to forgive, find
>>>> answers
>>>> in the Bible, and refrain from judging.  There are other lists to
>>>> discuss
>>>> political functions; Faith Talk is not it, folks!  This is why I do not
>>>> post nonsense concerning topics of a Christian, political perspective,
>>>> because it leads to arguments.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
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