[Faith-talk] Issues with your church and conflicts of interestinAmerican churches enquiry

Thu Jun 24 14:42:42 UTC 2010

I want to clear the airways with some people about catholics from what
I've read and have experience with catholicism from an inside
prospective thus far in my journey to finding Jesus Christ. The good
works come from the fruit or in other words labor of a good tree being
your faith. So, technically if you disobey the Ten Commandments like
Love Thy Neibhbor when they work loyaly for the service of the Lord or
even not tht you are a good catholic. However, protestants think all
you need is faith, which is agreeable under certain cases like out of
ignorance of the Ten Commandments and what they mean. However, if you
willingly condone, counsule or whatever to aid and abed these sins
then you are just as guilty as the victimizer themselves. I think that
catholics personally have this right and about confession. Well, there
are several quotes on both sides like the pharacies condemming Jesus
for forgiving people of sin. Well, there are quotes in the Gospels
about before dropping money into the donation plate to forgive your
brother or be forgiven by him. There are tons of other quotes and the
concept that Peter the first Bishop of Rome was the inheritor of sorts
of Jesus's represenative on Earth till he returns. In either case, I
think it pales in comparison to purgatory and fasting that are my key
reluctants left in the faith. Once they are answered I'll probably
join the faith for real instead of being a precatholic. This is just
my opinion but catholics have the toughest penalties towards marriage
in all christian belief. They also by and large don't support abortion
nor gay marriage and support free markets not capitalism and communism
either.

On 6/23/10, don nepple <dnepple at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi all you must know is the lord and his son and what he wants frum you and
> that you love him and that is all you must know.think about it the bible is
> the good book.learn frum it.thanks don.
>
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>> From: poetlori8 at msn.com
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:20:29 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Issues with your church and conflicts of
>> interestinAmerican churches enquiry
>>
>> As long as you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour, you will go
>> to Heaven. If you make that decision you are no longer anything but a
>> follower of Christ. You will no longer be whatever you were before. If you
>> are a Catholic and accept Jesus then you will go to Heaven. If you believe
>> that just good works or admitting your sins to someone other than Jesus,
>> you
>> cannot enjoy life after death.
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>> ...
>> Yesterday is
>> A path well-trod,
>> A familiar lane
>> Through sacred sod,
>> A road we travel
>> Too often, I fear,
>> For there are the good times
>> When things are hard here,
>> ...
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Peter Wolfe"
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:31 PM
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Issues with your church and conflicts of
>> interestinAmerican churches enquiry
>>
>>> Barbara,
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand that quote all too well. I mean do you think that only
>>> baptist, mormons, prespetarian, etc will go into Heaven and not
>>> catholics? I think all of them are sayin the exact same thing as one
>>> another. The unitarians not so much cause some of them don't believe
>>> in the trinity. So, I am just getting another prospect.
>>>
>>> On 6/22/10, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>>>> What we mean by only one way to Heaven is that you must accept Jesus as
>>>> your
>>>> personal Lord and Saviour. There are no good works that get you to
>>>> heaven,
>>>> In the book of John, Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life,
>>>> no
>>>> man comes to the Father but through Me."
>>>> The Bible is very clear about there being only one way and gives many
>>>> references to how you can travel that road. Don't just trust what the
>>>> theologians say, open the Bible, read it and study it.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> Yesterday is
>>>> A path well-trod,
>>>> A familiar lane
>>>> Through sacred sod,
>>>> A road we travel
>>>> Too often, I fear,
>>>> For there are the good times
>>>> When things are hard here,
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe"
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:39 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Issues with your church and conflicts of interest
>>>> inAmerican churches enquiry
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> Webmaster
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>>>>> To list,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering what your issues with your church, denomination and
>>>>> faith is in the community and in your walls of the Holy Temple? My
>>>>> issue with catholicism is mainly now boiled down to two concepts like
>>>>> purgatory and selling of gifts or of other services inside of church
>>>>> walls. If you have answers about this catholic question just let me
>>>>> know. Also a pastor from NYC of the bapitst faith pointed out two
>>>>> contentous supposed out of scripture rituals. One he said is not
>>>>> eating meat on certain days and the other is for a man priest not to
>>>>> get married and mentioned some quotes in the Bible. I see another
>>>>> thing in american christian churches is that they forbid gambling, yet
>>>>> they perform bingo. Isn't that the pure idea of gambling? You are
>>>>> paying a little for a chance to earn more. Whether that is for profit
>>>>> or not it's still a form of gambling. Also forbidding gambling legally
>>>>> within a state like my state of Alabama is contrary to the teaching of
>>>>> free will right?
>>>>> Finally, I see many church members believe in the free will nature
>>>>> of owning your own gun like the 2nd admendment without understanding
>>>>> the harmful affects of uncontrolled firearm control. How can church
>>>>> members reconsile this altercation? Then, the different meanings of
>>>>> being reborn through Jesus Christ like some people are so bold as to
>>>>> unknowingly think infants could perhaps go to Hell in case they are
>>>>> sinful. What about the Age of Reason then? The state of capital
>>>>> punishment are justified in what biblical context? Seriously you are
>>>>> judging and commiting a consensus dated Iraqia style eye for an eye,
>>>>> which is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself. Also, what do people mean
>>>>> when they say there is only one way to Heaven? Seriously so many
>>>>> interpretations of the Bible and not even teologeons agree on almost
>>>>> anything anymore and one way meaning one particular demination or
>>>>> what? I'm also wondering the validity of churches that have homosexual
>>>>> clergy members and things of that sort. Thanks for any feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> God bless,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
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