[Faith-talk] non-christians on this list

Jeanette nettiecosp at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 30 01:04:47 UTC 2011 

i don't think so and the bible says He is a jealous god,  He wants us to 
love Him. he is merciful but he cannot stand sin and cannot look upon it, i 
just do not see anywhere in the bible that says that we hav a second chance 
after death, it makes no sense to me to wait til after death, just doesn't 
seem logical.
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But yet God is not a jealous God, he is a merciful one is he not?

Are you not contradicting the very foundations of the bible by your 
statements?



On Apr 29, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jeanette wrote:

> but if they do not accept Jesus here and then after dying realise that it 
> is indeed true they do not get to go to heaven they can then change their 
> ind it would be a fool who would choose to live in hell for eternity. 
> just like making a wrong decision and not haveing consequences ever makes 
> no sense to me, it is like a get out of jail free card or something.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring" 
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:11 PM
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>
>
> To all,
> A good point was brought up earlier I want to address.  It was said
> (my email program didn't say who said this, I appologize for not
> giving credit where it is due), that it wouldn't make sense for the
> chance to accept Christ to be available after death because that would
> make it meaningless to come to Christ in this life.  On the surface,
> that seems like a really valid argument...but I think the thing to
> remember is that Christ is accepted in the heart.  If someone's heart
> wants to live it up in this life, they have no concept of morals,
> etc...that's not the kind of person, probably, who will accept Jesus.
> In the Book of Mormon, which I believe is scripture, it is taught that
> whatever spirit has power to possess a man in this life will have
> power to possess him hereafter.  So, basically, if someone's ruled by
> sin and they have no desire to repent, those same sins and temptations
> will have power in the world to come.  So...the earlier we can bring
> Christ in to our hearts, the earlier we can truly conqor our "natural
> man" "carnal nature" or whatever you want to call it.  The fact that
> the majority of people throughout history never even had the chance to
> hear Christ's message in mortality, through no fault of their own,
> should not be sufficient cause to damn them forever to eternal torment
> in hell.  If God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten
> son, but the only way to accept the son of God is in this mortal life,
> he must only have loved a small fraction of the world and not the
> whole world.
> Warmest regards,
> Kirt
>
> On 4/28/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>> No, it is Christ, Himself, who said He is the only way:
>> John 14
>>
>> 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have 
>> told
>> you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
>> 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you 
>> to
>> be with me that you also may be where I am.
>> 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
>> 5 ¶Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how 
>> can
>> we know the way?”
>> 6 ¶Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes 
>> to
>> the Father except through me.
>> 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, 
>> you
>> do know him and have seen him.”
>>
>>
>> Take note, Jesus didn't say "I am *A* way, *A* truth, and *A* life," but
>> rather said "I am *THE* way, *THE* truth, and *THE* life." Use of the 
>> word
>> "the" in that context denotes singleness or exclusivity. So, Jesus was, 
>> in
>> essence saying he was the only way, the only truth, and the only life.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:11 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>>
>> Christ is who we Christians say is the only way.
>>
>> I think its a bigger crime not to believe in God, E.G., atheists, then 
>> not
>> to believe in Christ.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>>
>>> the folks who lived before Christ believed in god, they looked forward 
>>> to
>> Christ the Messiah, God reveals himself to those He chooses to reveal
>> himself to.  but according to the bible Jesus is the only way, this is my
>> personal belief i think by telling people if they are good they will go 
>> to
>> heaven you are saying there is no need for the sacrafice Christ made on 
>> the
>> cross. if being good is all it takes  then you are saying there is no 
>> need
>> for hell either.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
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>>>
>>>
>>>> I say Gandi is in heaven.
>>>> Like I said earlier, anyone who does good, and follows God's 
>>>> commandments
>> though they don't know it obviously, is going to heaven.
>>>>
>>>> Because, if you think of it,
>>>> would all those who believed in God before Christ go to hell because 
>>>> they
>> did not know him?
>>>>
>>>> It is now so much knowing him, though for us Christians we must, but 
>>>> for
>> those who have no concept of Christ, to follow God's commandments.
>>>>
>>>> It is written in the Second Vatican, "for those who don't know Christ,
>> then God shall reveal on to them in ways that only He knows."
>>>>
>>>> This is perhaps suggesting that despite everything that is said on the
>> outside, even athiests have been shown some light?
>>>>
>>>> Some compulsion to do good, dispite their outwards denial of God?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe you absolutely need Jesus- but I have to reconcile that
>>>>> belief with the fact that most people throughout history either
>>>>> never heard of Christ, or had no real idea who he was.  Will someone
>>>>> like Gandhi, who did an incredible amount of good in this life, go
>>>>> to hell simply because he didn't accept Jesus as savior while he was
>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> any  literature other than the bible is not God inspired there
>>>>>> fore is not reliable. just my opinion, not criticizing anyone, just
>>>>>> what i believe, if you do not need Jesus to go to Heaven  then how
>>>>>> to you explain the need for Him to sacrafice  His life for our sins?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kirt:
>>>>>>> I agree with your view,
>>>>>>> my difference being that although all are children of God, only
>>>>>>> those who do good shall be saved, weather they have a religion or
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, quick FYI, apparently I was just reading that this theory has
>>>>>>> been written by Pope Benedict the 16th, though I can't remember
>>>>>>> his name prior to this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was also included in the Second Vatican of the Catholic
>>>>>>> church, and if anyone's interested in research on this topic by
>>>>>>> the way, I've found Bookshare to be a surprisingly reliable source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jorge,
>>>>>>>> My church teaches that all humans are children of God.
>>>>>>>> Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Bahais, Wiccans,
>>>>>>>> Atheists, Satanists, murderers, rapists, everyone is literally a
>>>>>>>> spirit child of god.
>>>>>>>> Also, you might be interested in the idea of "anonimous
>>>>>>>> christianity."  I'm not going to do it justice, but it was an
>>>>>>>> idea advanced by a certain catholic theologian (I can't recall
>>>>>>>> the name) that basically all people living christlike lives have
>>>>>>>> access to Christ's grace, though they don't know it yet.  As a
>>>>>>>> Mormon, a central part of my faith is that, some day, either in
>>>>>>>> this life or the next, all people will have the chance to hear
>>>>>>>> the gospel of Christ.  Were this not true, God would not be a
>>>>>>>> fair and just God because, throughout the ages, there have been
>>>>>>>> billions of people who literally never even heard of Jesus
>>>>>>>> Christ.  I can't believe in a God who would damn someone merely
>>>>>>>> because they were never exposed to Christ in mortal life, or
>>>>>>>> because they chose to live by their original faith instead,
>>>>>>>> without really understanding what Christ offers.  So, I believe
>>>>>>>> that heaven will be full of Mormons and Catholics and Muslims and
>>>>>>>> HIndus and all manner of religions...at least, full of people who
>>>>>>>> believed all manner of religions while living here on earth, they
>>>>>>>> will all have accepted Christ as savior and lived his
>>>>>>>> commandments to the best of their abilities before being saved,
>>>>>>>> though.  I'm just rambling...but basically I believe that, just
>>>>>>>> because someone dies without faith in Christ, I don't believe they
>> are ultimately condemned to hell unless they reject Christ later.
>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.  I'd welcome discussion or civilized debate.
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Kirt:
>>>>>>>>> I agree with you completely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, if you look at the ancient documents and text, you will
>>>>>>>>> see that Christians started out as one group.
>>>>>>>>> Then for various reasons,
>>>>>>>>> divided,
>>>>>>>>> so in a way, we are both following the original tradition.
>>>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>>> that brings me to my point.
>>>>>>>>> What do we, as Christians, consider acceptable behavior for
>>>>>>>>> "children of God?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand that our Christianity stems from our belief in
>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But then  how do we define "children of God?"
>>>>>>>>> Would we consider Muslims as "children of God", despite their
>>>>>>>>> views on Jesus Christ being different then ours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or do we also define "Children Of God" how we define "Christian?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just food for thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>>> I feel like I need to respond to this thread.  Please
>>>>>>>>>> understand I'm not trying to spark controversy, I don't intend
>>>>>>>>>> to debate anyone here, and I'm not trying to impose my own
>>>>>>>>>> faith on anyone.  But, with that disclaimer out of the way, I
>>>>>>>>>> want to answer one point that was made earlier on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>> John, you said some of your LDS (Mormon) friends do not
>>>>>>>>>> identify themselves as Christian.  I think I understand why,
>>>>>>>>>> although I whole-heartedly proclaim myself a Christian.  It
>>>>>>>>>> ultimately boils down to your definition of a Christian.  If
>>>>>>>>>> the only Christians are those who worship the Trinity as God,
>>>>>>>>>> and confess the Nycene creed, then I suppose we Mormons aren't
>>>>>>>>>> Christians.  But, by that definition, you're excluding some of
>>>>>>>>>> the most Christian people among us.  Consider Joshua Lester, a
>> oneness pentecostal who does not believe in the Trinity.
>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone here, on this list, seriously claim he isn't a
>> Christian?
>>>>>>>>>> His understanding of God as one person is as different from the
>>>>>>>>>> traditional Trinity as my understanding of God as three
>>>>>>>>>> separate, distinctive personages who are one in purpose rather 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>> substance.
>>>>>>>>>> Yet I have seen his denomination attacked and criticized in the
>>>>>>>>>> world for being "unChristian", just as mine has been.
>>>>>>>>>> So this brings me to my next point.  If Christians aren't
>>>>>>>>>> exclusively Trinitarians, what defines a Christian?  To me,
>>>>>>>>>> it's obvious. Anyone who accepts Christ as lord and savior and
>>>>>>>>>> relies exclusively upon him as the only means of salvation is a
>>>>>>>>>> Christian.  For us as Mormons Jesus is not just a good moral
>>>>>>>>>> guide for an excelent life.  He isn't just an inspired teacher
>>>>>>>>>> or prophet- he is a member of the godhead, our redemer and,
>> ultimately, the only true savior for humankind.
>>>>>>>>>> Without Christ we are doomed and lost, we need his atoning
>>>>>>>>>> sacrifice in our lives both to purify us now and cleanse us for
>>>>>>>>>> eternity.  In my book, if you agree with that, you're a
>>>>>>>>>> Christian.  So despite the numerous and significant theological
>>>>>>>>>> differences between Catholics and Protestants and Mormons and
>>>>>>>>>> Oneness Pentecostals and Orthadox Christians, we all have that
>> common ground.  Are Mormons Christian?
>>>>>>>>>> Are Oneness pentecostals Christian?  I answer, emphatically, 
>>>>>>>>>> "yes!"
>>>>>>>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This happens sometimes, and I've known people to be really
>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed at some of the things they said. However, in this
>>>>>>>>>>> case there is no need for embarrassment. i felt that the
>>>>>>>>>>> information I gave in my reply would be good for the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessed Easter,
>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:44:57PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> o> Woops...I sent a message thinking it would go just to John,
>>>>>>>>>>> o> but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> went to the whole list.  My sincere appologies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do believe you are right in the divisions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I myself am a Catholic, but have taken the time to study the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 other major religions of the world (Judaism and Islam),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we're currently studying the reformation in school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to my understanding, the majesterium mandated at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time that all bibles bee in Latin, therefore making it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible for the "common people" to read, while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants (please correct me if I'm wrong) were the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to start reading the bible in common languages, believing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bible should be read and understood by each and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every believer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never replied to your message earlier.  Thanks for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers about the Majesterium and Tradition.  So, if I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding right, it is your belief that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majesterium/teaching arm of the Roman Catholic church is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply clarifying the revelation already given.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, Jesus was and the Bible was the complete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revelation of God.  If I'm understanding right, the biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreement between Catholics and Protestants is a matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of interpretation of the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you, am I right in saying the interpretation provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by tradition/majesterium is authoritativ and the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" way to look at scripture, while in Protestant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity it is more open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reader's own interpretation?  I know that's a huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generalization, but would you say I'm right there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways...I'm also curious about another statement you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made. You said something to the effect of believing Joseph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smith's vissions were genuine, but not valid.  So...for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, as a Catholic, do you think he was misguided?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially inspired but ultimately mistaken in taking it too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far?  Inspired by the devil?  I won't get offended, I want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your honest opinion and I'm not going to take it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, religious dialogue is definitely important...I'd say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there's much to learn from all religions, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally I'm convinced God has inspired them all.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean I believe with everything every faith claims,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I see the hand of God throughout the religious world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one other question for you.  Are you familiar with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of anonimous Christianity?  If so, what are your
>> thoughts on it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God bless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely Christian, but I'm all for interrelitious
>> dialog.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I think that is part of my particular work of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you go to my website, http://www.godtouches.org you will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that it's motto is "peace, love, service". I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my work of evangelization is to spread these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attitudes of Christ even in the secular world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 09:25:24PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I very much enjoy all the devotionals and prayer requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and discussions on here.  I'm pretty sure it's one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few worthwhile distractions in life.  But I am curious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I definitely don't mean to offend, if there are any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-christian regular readers of this mailinglist?  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't mean to procelyte, and I don't want this thread to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn into an overblown theological debate, but I'm very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in talking with and learning from people from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other faiths. If that's you, and you wouldn't mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking, would you please email me off-list?  I won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procelyte- I won't try to baptize you or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want a friendly dialogue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God bless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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