[Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection - whatis the right way?-understanding others
Jorge Paez
computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Sat Apr 30 16:37:13 UTC 2011
> Joshua:
I will agree with you perhaps as far as Hindus and Buddhists go,
but will have to agree to disagree on the Muslim issue.
Jorge
On Apr 30, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Jeanette wrote:
> that is what the bible teaches us
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection - whatis the right way?-understanding others
>
>
>> Jorge, did you not read my post?
>> We worship Jesus, (Yahweh, ) (the Jews' god,) revealed in flesh.
>> They worship Ala, (the name of the moon god, that people worshiped in
>> Muhammad's day.)
>> No, Christians, Jews, and Muslems, and other religions, don't worship
>> the same god.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We worship the same God do we not?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>>>
>>>> i do not agree that we are muslims, we are Christians, not muslims, we
>>>> worship the one true god, they worship a false god as i understand it, not
>>>> trying to offend anyone, just the truth as i understand it
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring"
>>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection -
>>>> whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>> I promise, this'll be the last post from me for a while. I think I
>>>>> got too emotional here and I need to take a step back for a few
>>>>> days...so I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I don't take back anything I
>>>>> said but I do wish I was less confrontational and more open to sincere
>>>>> conversation.
>>>>> Joshua- you're exactly right about Christianity being a relationship
>>>>> with Christ, but consider this. Sincere Islam isn't a religion- it's
>>>>> a submission to God's will. Although I personally don't agree with
>>>>> all the teachings of the Quran or everything said by the prophet
>>>>> Muhammad (peace be upon him), in that way me and you both are Muslims
>>>>> because we're submitting to the will of God as we understand it.
>>>>> Sikhism, one of the largest world religions from India, isn't a
>>>>> religion by the logic you're using because the word "sikh" means
>>>>> "disciple." While I do not adhear to all the Sikh teachings- I
>>>>> certainly try to be the best Disciple of God I can. In that way we
>>>>> are both Sikhs. Janism, another smaller faith tradition from India,
>>>>> is not a religion because "jain" means "victor"- the way of life for
>>>>> the sincere Jain is to become a victor over the vices of the material
>>>>> world. Although we both certainly are not Jains, we are in a way
>>>>> because, through Jesus, we gain a victory over death and hell.
>>>>> So...you're spot on about Christianity not being just a religion.
>>>>> But the same applies to virtually every divinely-inspired faith
>>>>> tradition out there- and, if you study any real serious religion in
>>>>> the world, I guarantee it won't take long to find inspiration from
>>>>> God. That doesn't mean everything taught by any church is right...but
>>>>> it does mean I believe with all my heart and soul God has a hand in
>>>>> all sincere religion throughout the world. Read the Quran, read the
>>>>> Bhagivad Gita (and make sure you learn to spell it better than I can),
>>>>> read the Analects of Confucius, read the Dao de Jing, read the
>>>>> Tripitika of the Buddhists (again, spelling), read the Guru Granth
>>>>> Sahib of the Sikhs- read the Bahai book of laws...and you'd have to be
>>>>> spiritually blind not to see the inspiration of God.
>>>>> Just my thoughts and God bless,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Nikki, I'm glad you've posted this on the list.
>>>>>> Christianity isn't a religion, anyway.
>>>>>> It's a relationship with Jesus Christ.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok. I can't keep quiet anymore.
>>>>>>> It doesn't matter what "religion," I despise the term, or Bible
>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>> The truth is God's interpretation.
>>>>>>> It's not anyone's place to judge except for God's.
>>>>>>> In my opinion, debating God is a sin.
>>>>>>> I did not mean to crush anyone's beliefs or start anything.
>>>>>>> Just speaking my mind like everyone else.
>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Jorge Paez
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection -
>>>>>>> whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Joshua for the reference.
>>>>>>> I indeed have a copy of the King James version.
>>>>>>> I will study it this weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Constantine, and the Council of Nicea invented the term, "trinity."
>>>>>>>> It isn't found in scripture.
>>>>>>>> Catholics use a total diferent book.
>>>>>>>> We use the King James Bible.
>>>>>>>> No wonder!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Very interesting point Joshua.
>>>>>>>>> Will certainly study that.
>>>>>>>>> And, 325 AD is actually interesting,
>>>>>>>>> because it was after the First Vatican--in other words,
>>>>>>>>> after the Catholic church stablished the magestirium and declaired
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> official traditions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the Holy Trinity,
>>>>>>>>> but I respect your point.
>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, we are all creations of God, not children of God.
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said, that when we're in sin, we are Satan's children.
>>>>>>>>>> When we come into Christ, we become God's children.
>>>>>>>>>> Those that do not come into Christ, are not God's children.
>>>>>>>>>> That's Bible.
>>>>>>>>>> How do we come into Christ?
>>>>>>>>>> First of all, who is Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>> Some teach that he's the second person in the Godhead, and some
>>>>>>>>>> teach
>>>>>>>>>> that he's God, all by himself.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, you need to understand, that there are not 3 persons in the
>>>>>>>>>> Godhead.
>>>>>>>>>> This will ruffle a few feathers on this list, but that's the truth.
>>>>>>>>>> John 4:24 says, that God is a spirit, (not a person.)
>>>>>>>>>> They that worship God must worship him, in spirit and in truth.
>>>>>>>>>> The Holy Spirit is a spirit, (not a person.)
>>>>>>>>>> Persons have flesh and blood, spirits don't.
>>>>>>>>>> The only one that became flesh was the son.
>>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>>> 1 Timothy, 3:16 tells us that God was made manifest in the flesh.
>>>>>>>>>> God, (spirit,) manifested in the flesh, (son.)
>>>>>>>>>> The flesh revealed God's name, (Jesus.)
>>>>>>>>>> Colossians, 1:19 "and it pleased the Father, that in him should all
>>>>>>>>>> fullness dwell."
>>>>>>>>>> Colossians, 2:9. "And in him, (Jesus,) dwelleth all the fullness of
>>>>>>>>>> the Godhead bodily."
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and now,
>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Ghost in regeneration.
>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 28:19 says for us to baptize in the name of the Father, and
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>>> Notice the word is "name," (not "names.")
>>>>>>>>>> I've just established that the name of the Father, Son, and Holy
>>>>>>>>>> Ghost, was Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>> That's why we baptize in Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the Lord Jesus,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Lord," never, "Father Son and Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>>> That didn't start, until 325 A.D.
>>>>>>>>>> Read Acts, 2:38, Acts, 8:16, Acts, 10, Acts, 19:1/6.
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeanette and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me share a couple of sections from the set of fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Seventh-day Adventist church, which I am going to be joinging soon.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> clearly, using only the bible, explains what happens after we die,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> humanity is judged. I know it's a lot of scripture to look at, but
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> all look, you'll see the truth of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 26. Death and Resurrection:
>>>>>>>>>>> The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will
>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>> eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an
>>>>>>>>>>> unconscious
>>>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>>> for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the
>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected
>>>>>>>>>>> righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>>>> their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the
>>>>>>>>>>> unrighteous,
>>>>>>>>>>> will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15,
>>>>>>>>>>> 16;
>>>>>>>>>>> Eccl.
>>>>>>>>>>> 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Thess.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 27. Millennium and the End of Sin:
>>>>>>>>>>> The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate,
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At
>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>> Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> earth.
>>>>>>>>>>> The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> angels
>>>>>>>>>>> will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and
>>>>>>>>>>> cleanse
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever.
>>>>>>>>>>> (Rev.
>>>>>>>>>>> 20;
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18,
>>>>>>>>>>> 19.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jeanette
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>> way?-understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone seems to want to talk about God's love but not about God's
>>>>>>>>>>> wrath
>>>>>>>>>>> against sin, it seems that it is all about us and not about a
>>>>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a choice to choose His ways or not to, everything in life
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> consequences so what you are saying is there are no consequences to
>>>>>>>>>>> choosing
>>>>>>>>>>> a different way here on earth and if you don't like the after life
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> you can change your mind, don't see that in the bible.
>>>>>>>>>>> as to whether folks are a child of God i kind of think it has to do
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> what your definition of child of God is, if you mean since God
>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>> all then we are all his children, i suppose that is true.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is the
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>> way?
>>>>>>>>>>> -understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua:
>>>>>>>>>>> are you suggesting that those who do not believe in Jesus Christ
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> therefore not children of God?
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this not hypocritical?
>>>>>>>>>>> Does it not go against the image of the loving God Christians like
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> portray?
>>>>>>>>>>> For love is for all,
>>>>>>>>>>> love for some is not true love.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, this is the same "new thought," "seeker sensitive," stuff,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> see in today's churches.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Jews didn't accept Jesus, but the Bible is clear, that every
>>>>>>>>>>>> knee
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one way to Heaven, and that's through Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no way around it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The other religions aren't correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man cometh to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Father, but by him.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what Jesus said.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He wasn't sent to Christians, because there weren't any
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians,
>>>>>>>>>>>> until Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible says, that they were called Christians first, at
>>>>>>>>>>>> Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was sent to the world, those who accept him are Christians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What constitutes a true Christian?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts, 2:38 tells us where to begin our Christian walk.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "then Peter said unto them,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Repent, and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3 steps to salvation, according to Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1. Repentence, #2. Baptism in Jesus's name, and #3. Receiving the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Holy Ghost, with the initial sign of speaking in other tongues, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spirit gives utterance, (see Acts, 2:4.) If you're going to call
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself a Christian, you need to start with the way the Apostles
>>>>>>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no clear answer on what the "right" way is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course for us Christians it is knowing Jesus, but the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions have different perspectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take this theologians line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Muhammad was sent to the Muslims, as Jesus was sent to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, as Moses was sent to the jews."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does this tell you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you realize the fact that the jews never accepted Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christus (greek for Christ), but just as one more teacher, so to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak, and that their main holiday to celebrate the glory of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passover, in which God leads the Jewish nation out of Israel, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that we celebrate our revelation from God, Easter, on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, it shows you that the right way isn't set in stone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because our 2 religions have 2 completely different revelations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Moses and one from Jesus, both who were messengers of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Christians, Jesus is part of the holy trinity, which is God)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect, both revelations were made by God on to us in different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eras
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in different forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now add to that one more layer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the gospel, Jesus says something very interesting after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelation of his passion to the 12 disciples. When Peter asks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Master, why do the scribes say that Elisha must come first?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus replied "I assure you Elisha will come." then says ".but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elisha has already come, and man has done on to him what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That part caught my attention. If you know your old testament,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that Elisha, as known by the Christians, has already come.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His
>>>>>>>>>>>>> book is written years before the new testament even begins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But. where and when and who is the Elisha that Jesus says will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the answer is, and I hope that you take this with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theological point and not with bias, but I think it was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this not "unChristian?" you ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My answer is this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the ultimate creator, and the ultimate power, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on this do they not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some may ask why Mohammed never appeared in the bible, or any of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> later religious figures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For each his own messenger was sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signs in times of trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First came Moses, in the old testament. His people were inslaved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egypt at the time. If you remember the old testament well, due to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of the time, the Hebrews are called "God's people" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. Without diving into too much detail, Moses saved the people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel, and led them not only out of Egypt, but set standards for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in a life in Israel, in accordance with the will of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then came Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus appeared in a time where Israel was controlled by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romans,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the religious leaders at the time were many times corrupt and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power hungry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that his teachings brought on huge crowds, but soon after,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the birth of Christianity, the jews that had followed Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> split
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into 2 groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who called themselves Christians, and those who stuck to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original Torah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice now the appearance of Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, too, like Jesus, was born to a family of humble station. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were merchants. Soon he became well known for his honest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he turned 40, he had his first vision, threw the angel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jabril,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> known in English as Gabriel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, preached in a time when there was a lack of morals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Jesus, who preached to the Jews, who had been given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commandments, the people of Mecca at the time were polytheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now consider my last example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Buddha.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This prince, born in one of the royal families of India,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> renounced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all wealth, and lived in poverty before finding the middle path
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, stressed the same exact code of behavior as Jesus, as did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moses, as did Mohammed (peace be upon them all) but in different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the right way is not a single religion, or a sect, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do kindness, be generous, and humble, despite whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatness you might reach, then you are, though perhaps unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, obeying the same code that almost all religious figures have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught threw out the years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now if I say that the right way is one, why different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply a matter of understanding and language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My statement as far as that goes will be this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick the faith not that your parents had, but that YOU have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That means,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter what faith your parents had, but as long as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something in which you are strong in faith, that is your true
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading, and remember no one else is better then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oneself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Converting others to your religion is simply changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a message that is already there--but I believe you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as you don't defame the name of God, or any of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messengers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter what their name may be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
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