[Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection-whatis the right way?-understanding others
Jorge Paez
computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Sat Apr 30 16:37:42 UTC 2011
Amen Nikki,
and I'll never contradict that.
On Apr 30, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Jeanette wrote:
> yup
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:51 PM
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>
>> There is only one King of Kings.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:25 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection -whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>
>> We worship the same God do we not?
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>>
>>> i do not agree that we are muslims, we are Christians, not muslims, we worship the one true god, they worship a false god as i understand it, not trying to offend anyone, just the truth as i understand it
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection - whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear list,
>>>> I promise, this'll be the last post from me for a while. I think I
>>>> got too emotional here and I need to take a step back for a few
>>>> days...so I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I don't take back anything I
>>>> said but I do wish I was less confrontational and more open to sincere
>>>> conversation.
>>>> Joshua- you're exactly right about Christianity being a relationship
>>>> with Christ, but consider this. Sincere Islam isn't a religion- it's
>>>> a submission to God's will. Although I personally don't agree with
>>>> all the teachings of the Quran or everything said by the prophet
>>>> Muhammad (peace be upon him), in that way me and you both are Muslims
>>>> because we're submitting to the will of God as we understand it.
>>>> Sikhism, one of the largest world religions from India, isn't a
>>>> religion by the logic you're using because the word "sikh" means
>>>> "disciple." While I do not adhear to all the Sikh teachings- I
>>>> certainly try to be the best Disciple of God I can. In that way we
>>>> are both Sikhs. Janism, another smaller faith tradition from India,
>>>> is not a religion because "jain" means "victor"- the way of life for
>>>> the sincere Jain is to become a victor over the vices of the material
>>>> world. Although we both certainly are not Jains, we are in a way
>>>> because, through Jesus, we gain a victory over death and hell.
>>>> So...you're spot on about Christianity not being just a religion.
>>>> But the same applies to virtually every divinely-inspired faith
>>>> tradition out there- and, if you study any real serious religion in
>>>> the world, I guarantee it won't take long to find inspiration from
>>>> God. That doesn't mean everything taught by any church is right...but
>>>> it does mean I believe with all my heart and soul God has a hand in
>>>> all sincere religion throughout the world. Read the Quran, read the
>>>> Bhagivad Gita (and make sure you learn to spell it better than I can),
>>>> read the Analects of Confucius, read the Dao de Jing, read the
>>>> Tripitika of the Buddhists (again, spelling), read the Guru Granth
>>>> Sahib of the Sikhs- read the Bahai book of laws...and you'd have to be
>>>> spiritually blind not to see the inspiration of God.
>>>> Just my thoughts and God bless,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Nikki, I'm glad you've posted this on the list.
>>>>> Christianity isn't a religion, anyway.
>>>>> It's a relationship with Jesus Christ.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Ok. I can't keep quiet anymore.
>>>>>> It doesn't matter what "religion," I despise the term, or Bible version.
>>>>>> The truth is God's interpretation.
>>>>>> It's not anyone's place to judge except for God's.
>>>>>> In my opinion, debating God is a sin.
>>>>>> I did not mean to crush anyone's beliefs or start anything.
>>>>>> Just speaking my mind like everyone else.
>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jorge Paez
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection -
>>>>>> whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Joshua for the reference.
>>>>>> I indeed have a copy of the King James version.
>>>>>> I will study it this weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Constantine, and the Council of Nicea invented the term, "trinity."
>>>>>>> It isn't found in scripture.
>>>>>>> Catholics use a total diferent book.
>>>>>>> We use the King James Bible.
>>>>>>> No wonder!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Very interesting point Joshua.
>>>>>>>> Will certainly study that.
>>>>>>>> And, 325 AD is actually interesting,
>>>>>>>> because it was after the First Vatican--in other words,
>>>>>>>> after the Catholic church stablished the magestirium and declaired its
>>>>>>>> official traditions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the Holy Trinity,
>>>>>>>> but I respect your point.
>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jorge, we are all creations of God, not children of God.
>>>>>>>>> Jesus said, that when we're in sin, we are Satan's children.
>>>>>>>>> When we come into Christ, we become God's children.
>>>>>>>>> Those that do not come into Christ, are not God's children.
>>>>>>>>> That's Bible.
>>>>>>>>> How do we come into Christ?
>>>>>>>>> First of all, who is Jesus.
>>>>>>>>> Some teach that he's the second person in the Godhead, and some teach
>>>>>>>>> that he's God, all by himself.
>>>>>>>>> Well, you need to understand, that there are not 3 persons in the
>>>>>>>>> Godhead.
>>>>>>>>> This will ruffle a few feathers on this list, but that's the truth.
>>>>>>>>> John 4:24 says, that God is a spirit, (not a person.)
>>>>>>>>> They that worship God must worship him, in spirit and in truth.
>>>>>>>>> The Holy Spirit is a spirit, (not a person.)
>>>>>>>>> Persons have flesh and blood, spirits don't.
>>>>>>>>> The only one that became flesh was the son.
>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>> 1 Timothy, 3:16 tells us that God was made manifest in the flesh.
>>>>>>>>> God, (spirit,) manifested in the flesh, (son.)
>>>>>>>>> The flesh revealed God's name, (Jesus.)
>>>>>>>>> Colossians, 1:19 "and it pleased the Father, that in him should all
>>>>>>>>> fullness dwell."
>>>>>>>>> Colossians, 2:9. "And in him, (Jesus,) dwelleth all the fullness of
>>>>>>>>> the Godhead bodily."
>>>>>>>>> Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and now, he's
>>>>>>>>> the Holy Ghost in regeneration.
>>>>>>>>> Matthew 28:19 says for us to baptize in the name of the Father, and of
>>>>>>>>> the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>> Notice the word is "name," (not "names.")
>>>>>>>>> I've just established that the name of the Father, Son, and Holy
>>>>>>>>> Ghost, was Jesus.
>>>>>>>>> That's why we baptize in Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>>>>>>> Everyone was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the Lord Jesus, the
>>>>>>>>> Lord," never, "Father Son and Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>> That didn't start, until 325 A.D.
>>>>>>>>> Read Acts, 2:38, Acts, 8:16, Acts, 10, Acts, 19:1/6.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jeanette and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> Let me share a couple of sections from the set of fundamental beliefs
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Seventh-day Adventist church, which I am going to be joinging soon.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> clearly, using only the bible, explains what happens after we die, and
>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> humanity is judged. I know it's a lot of scripture to look at, but if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> all look, you'll see the truth of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 26. Death and Resurrection:
>>>>>>>>>> The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant
>>>>>>>>>> eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious
>>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>> for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected
>>>>>>>>>> righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to
>>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>>> their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the
>>>>>>>>>> unrighteous,
>>>>>>>>>> will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16;
>>>>>>>>>> Eccl.
>>>>>>>>>> 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1
>>>>>>>>>> Thess.
>>>>>>>>>> 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 27. Millennium and the End of Sin:
>>>>>>>>>> The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in
>>>>>>>>>> heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate,
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to
>>>>>>>>>> earth.
>>>>>>>>>> The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his
>>>>>>>>>> angels
>>>>>>>>>> will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and
>>>>>>>>>> cleanse
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever.
>>>>>>>>>> (Rev.
>>>>>>>>>> 20;
>>>>>>>>>> 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jeanette
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is the right
>>>>>>>>>> way?-understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> everyone seems to want to talk about God's love but not about God's
>>>>>>>>>> wrath
>>>>>>>>>> against sin, it seems that it is all about us and not about a loving
>>>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> gives us a choice to choose His ways or not to, everything in life has
>>>>>>>>>> consequences so what you are saying is there are no consequences to
>>>>>>>>>> choosing
>>>>>>>>>> a different way here on earth and if you don't like the after life you
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> you can change your mind, don't see that in the bible.
>>>>>>>>>> as to whether folks are a child of God i kind of think it has to do
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> what your definition of child of God is, if you mean since God created
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> all then we are all his children, i suppose that is true.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is the right
>>>>>>>>>> way?
>>>>>>>>>> -understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua:
>>>>>>>>>> are you suggesting that those who do not believe in Jesus Christ are
>>>>>>>>>> therefore not children of God?
>>>>>>>>>> Is this not hypocritical?
>>>>>>>>>> Does it not go against the image of the loving God Christians like to
>>>>>>>>>> portray?
>>>>>>>>>> For love is for all,
>>>>>>>>>> love for some is not true love.
>>>>>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, this is the same "new thought," "seeker sensitive," stuff, we
>>>>>>>>>>> see in today's churches.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Jews didn't accept Jesus, but the Bible is clear, that every knee
>>>>>>>>>>> shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one way to Heaven, and that's through Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no way around it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The other religions aren't correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man cometh to the
>>>>>>>>>>> Father, but by him.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's what Jesus said.
>>>>>>>>>>> He wasn't sent to Christians, because there weren't any Christians,
>>>>>>>>>>> until Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible says, that they were called Christians first, at Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was sent to the world, those who accept him are Christians.
>>>>>>>>>>> What constitutes a true Christian?
>>>>>>>>>>> Acts, 2:38 tells us where to begin our Christian walk.
>>>>>>>>>>> "then Peter said unto them,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Repent, and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>> Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3 steps to salvation, according to Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>> #1. Repentence, #2. Baptism in Jesus's name, and #3. Receiving the
>>>>>>>>>>> Holy Ghost, with the initial sign of speaking in other tongues, as
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Spirit gives utterance, (see Acts, 2:4.) If you're going to call
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself a Christian, you need to start with the way the Apostles
>>>>>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no clear answer on what the "right" way is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course for us Christians it is knowing Jesus, but the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> religions have different perspectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take this theologians line:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Muhammad was sent to the Muslims, as Jesus was sent to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, as Moses was sent to the jews."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does this tell you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you realize the fact that the jews never accepted Jesus as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christus (greek for Christ), but just as one more teacher, so to
>>>>>>>>>>>> speak, and that their main holiday to celebrate the glory of God is
>>>>>>>>>>>> passover, in which God leads the Jewish nation out of Israel, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that we celebrate our revelation from God, Easter, on the very
>>>>>>>>>>>> week, it shows you that the right way isn't set in stone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because our 2 religions have 2 completely different revelations, one
>>>>>>>>>>>> from Moses and one from Jesus, both who were messengers of God (and
>>>>>>>>>>>> for Christians, Jesus is part of the holy trinity, which is God) In
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect, both revelations were made by God on to us in different eras
>>>>>>>>>>>> and in different forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now add to that one more layer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the gospel, Jesus says something very interesting after the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> revelation of his passion to the 12 disciples. When Peter asks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Master, why do the scribes say that Elisha must come first?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus replied "I assure you Elisha will come." then says ".but
>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elisha has already come, and man has done on to him what they will."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That part caught my attention. If you know your old testament, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> know that Elisha, as known by the Christians, has already come. His
>>>>>>>>>>>> book is written years before the new testament even begins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But. where and when and who is the Elisha that Jesus says will come?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the answer is, and I hope that you take this with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> theological point and not with bias, but I think it was a reference
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this not "unChristian?" you ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My answer is this,
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the ultimate creator, and the ultimate power, all religions
>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on this do they not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some may ask why Mohammed never appeared in the bible, or any of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> later religious figures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For each his own messenger was sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Signs in times of trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First came Moses, in the old testament. His people were inslaved in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Egypt at the time. If you remember the old testament well, due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of the time, the Hebrews are called "God's people" in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> text. Without diving into too much detail, Moses saved the people of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel, and led them not only out of Egypt, but set standards for
>>>>>>>>>>>> them in a life in Israel, in accordance with the will of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then came Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus appeared in a time where Israel was controlled by the Romans,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the religious leaders at the time were many times corrupt and
>>>>>>>>>>>> power hungry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that his teachings brought on huge crowds, but soon after,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the birth of Christianity, the jews that had followed Jesus split
>>>>>>>>>>>> into 2 groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who called themselves Christians, and those who stuck to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original Torah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice now the appearance of Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He, too, like Jesus, was born to a family of humble station. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> were merchants. Soon he became well known for his honest business.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he turned 40, he had his first vision, threw the angel Jabril,
>>>>>>>>>>>> known in English as Gabriel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, preached in a time when there was a lack of morals and
>>>>>>>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Jesus, who preached to the Jews, who had been given previous
>>>>>>>>>>>> commandments, the people of Mecca at the time were polytheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And now consider my last example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Buddha.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This prince, born in one of the royal families of India, renounced
>>>>>>>>>>>> all wealth, and lived in poverty before finding the middle path
>>>>>>>>>>>> threw
>>>>>>>>>>>> meditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, stressed the same exact code of behavior as Jesus, as did
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moses, as did Mohammed (peace be upon them all) but in different
>>>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the right way is not a single religion, or a sect, it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do kindness, be generous, and humble, despite whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> greatness you might reach, then you are, though perhaps unknown to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you, obeying the same code that almost all religious figures have
>>>>>>>>>>>> taught threw out the years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And now if I say that the right way is one, why different religions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply a matter of understanding and language.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My statement as far as that goes will be this:
>>>>>>>>>>>> pick the faith not that your parents had, but that YOU have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That means,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter what faith your parents had, but as long as it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> something in which you are strong in faith, that is your true
>>>>>>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading, and remember no one else is better then oneself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Converting others to your religion is simply changing the language
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a message that is already there--but I believe you should convert,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> long as you don't defame the name of God, or any of his messengers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter what their name may be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
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