[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Mon Aug 8 21:31:29 UTC 2011

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> Original Message:
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> 
> From: "Rex Leslie Howard, Jr." <rex at littlelaw.com> 
> Sent: August 8, 2011 5:19:48 PM
> To: "'Faith-talk,
	for the discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
> 
> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with regard to
> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
> 
> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people refer
> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will of
> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's standards.
> 
> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the term
> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born again,
> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
> Atheist?"
> 
> Not in my opinion.
> 
> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A saved
> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
> 
> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once saved,
> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. It is
> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
> 
> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I believe
> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be lost
> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose that
> salvation.
> 
> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's grace,
> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes null
> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them over
> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
> 
> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and not
> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word tells
> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks after God
> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to fall?
> No, I don't believe so.
> 
> Did that make any sense at all?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
> 
> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not all 
> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
> 
> 
> > That's what I was saying.
> > She needs Jesus.
> > The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
> > They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
> > one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
> > That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
> > her Bible, and praying.
> > She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
> > show true Biblical Christianity.
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
> >> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would imagine
> >> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
> >>
> >> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was pure 
> >> and
> >> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and crucified
> >> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? I
> >> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against me
> >> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. Should I
> >> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my 
> >> anger
> >> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not let 
> >> the
> >> sun set on my anger towards her.
> >>
> >> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the 
> >> opportunity?
> >> Certainly not.
> >>
> >> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would see 
> >> God's
> >> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to hear
> >> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to reach 
> >> her.
> >>
> >> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise 
> >> forgiveness
> >> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in 
> >> positions
> >> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do something
> >> harmful to them? No.
> >>
> >> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have 
> >> violated
> >> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and use
> >> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for whom 
> >> we
> >> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all that 
> >> we
> >> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> >> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
> >>
> >> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out to 
> >> her?
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