[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

[Nikki]

    Joshua makes a lot of sense.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:37 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

There is only one Baptist church, in my community, that doesn't
believe in Once Saved, Always Saved.
I know that there are some Baptists, that don't believe that.
I said, "The Baptist church, they're out of."
The official name of the doctrine is "Unconditional Eternal Security."
Rex, that is right on.
That's why I don't like Bill Gaither's song, "I'm just a sinner, saved
by grace."
You're either a sinner, or you're saved by grace.
You cannot be both.
James, 1:7, (I believe it is,) says, "A double minded man, is
unstable, in all of his ways."
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with regard 
> to
> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
>
> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people 
> refer
> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will of
> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's standards.
>
> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the term
> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born again,
> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
> Atheist?"
>
> Not in my opinion.
>
> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A 
> saved
> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
>
> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once saved,
> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. It 
> is
> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
>
> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I believe
> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be 
> lost
> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose that
> salvation.
>
> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's 
> grace,
> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes 
> null
> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them 
> over
> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
>
> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and 
> not
> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word 
> tells
> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks after 
> God
> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to fall?
> No, I don't believe so.
>
> Did that make any sense at all?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not all
> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
>
>> That's what I was saying.
>> She needs Jesus.
>> The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
>> They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
>> one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
>> That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
>> her Bible, and praying.
>> She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
>> show true Biblical Christianity.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would imagine
>>> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
>>>
>>> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was pure
>>> and
>>> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and crucified
>>> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? I
>>> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against me
>>> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. Should 
>>> I
>>> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my
>>> anger
>>> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not let
>>> the
>>> sun set on my anger towards her.
>>>
>>> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the
>>> opportunity?
>>> Certainly not.
>>>
>>> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would see
>>> God's
>>> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to 
>>> hear
>>> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to reach
>>> her.
>>>
>>> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise
>>> forgiveness
>>> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in
>>> positions
>>> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do something
>>> harmful to them? No.
>>>
>>> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have
>>> violated
>>> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and use
>>> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for whom
>>> we
>>> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all that
>>> we
>>> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>
>>> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out to
>>> her?
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