[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Tue Aug 9 02:04:37 UTC 2011

all still sin when we go against what we are to do, so we sin, call it what 
you want but we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God, hence we 
are sinners, and we need Christ and we need to repent of our sins and He 
forgives our sins.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony


> Julie, sin is a willful transgression, against God.
> We make mistakes, or stumble, but we don't sin.
> The only way, our stumbling, or mistakes become sin, is if we let them
> go unrepented of.
> It's not in our new nature to sin.
> We're new creatures in Christ.
> Old things passed away, and all things are made new.
> The sin nature dies, at repentance.
> According to Apostolic belief, when you're baptized in water, in Jesus
> name, your flesh, (sin nature,) is buried.
> Receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in
> tongues, is the resurrection.
> That's being born of the water, and of the spirit, (John, 3:5.)
> When a person is saved, we change from that carnal nature, to a
> Christlike nature.
> We don't want to please that carnal nature, (the flesh,) any longer.
> That's what Paul talks about, when he mentions crucifying the flesh, 
> daily.
> Our flesh wants to sin, but our spirit doesn't.
> The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
> That's why we stumble.
> The righteous man falleth 7 times, but he geteth up again.
> When you repent, you're getting up.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 8/8/11, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> So I'm a member of a Baptist church and was baptised there.  I
>> consider myself a born again Christian, but this however, doesn't mean
>> that I do not sin.  We are all sinners whether we like it or not, even
>> though we may be saved.  On the other hand, if we defy the will of God
>> and sin, we are saying that we know better than God.  I'm not sure
>> what I'm trying to say, but I do believe that anyone can be forgiven
>> of their sins.  Also, anyone can turn away from God.  To me, being
>> born again means that I want to live my life for God and strive to
>> imitate Jesus, but no matter what we do, we are only human.
>> Just a few thoughts.  I am no expert.
>>
>> On 8/8/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>     Joshua makes a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:37 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>
>>> There is only one Baptist church, in my community, that doesn't
>>> believe in Once Saved, Always Saved.
>>> I know that there are some Baptists, that don't believe that.
>>> I said, "The Baptist church, they're out of."
>>> The official name of the doctrine is "Unconditional Eternal Security."
>>> Rex, that is right on.
>>> That's why I don't like Bill Gaither's song, "I'm just a sinner, saved
>>> by grace."
>>> You're either a sinner, or you're saved by grace.
>>> You cannot be both.
>>> James, 1:7, (I believe it is,) says, "A double minded man, is
>>> unstable, in all of his ways."
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with 
>>>> regard
>>>> to
>>>> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
>>>> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
>>>>
>>>> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
>>>> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people
>>>> refer
>>>> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
>>>> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will
>>>> of
>>>> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's
>>>> standards.
>>>>
>>>> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the 
>>>> term
>>>> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born
>>>> again,
>>>> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
>>>> Atheist?"
>>>>
>>>> Not in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A
>>>> saved
>>>> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
>>>> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once
>>>> saved,
>>>> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. 
>>>> It
>>>> is
>>>> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
>>>> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
>>>>
>>>> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I
>>>> believe
>>>> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
>>>> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be
>>>> lost
>>>> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose
>>>> that
>>>> salvation.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's
>>>> grace,
>>>> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes
>>>> null
>>>> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them
>>>> over
>>>> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and
>>>> not
>>>> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word
>>>> tells
>>>> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks 
>>>> after
>>>> God
>>>> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to
>>>> fall?
>>>> No, I don't believe so.
>>>>
>>>> Did that make any sense at all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>>
>>>> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not
>>>> all
>>>> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's what I was saying.
>>>>> She needs Jesus.
>>>>> The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
>>>>> They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
>>>>> one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
>>>>> That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
>>>>> her Bible, and praying.
>>>>> She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
>>>>> show true Biblical Christianity.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would
>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was
>>>>>> pure
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and
>>>>>> crucified
>>>>>> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. 
>>>>>> Should
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my
>>>>>> anger
>>>>>> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not 
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sun set on my anger towards her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the
>>>>>> opportunity?
>>>>>> Certainly not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would 
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> God's
>>>>>> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to
>>>>>> hear
>>>>>> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to 
>>>>>> reach
>>>>>> her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise
>>>>>> forgiveness
>>>>>> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in
>>>>>> positions
>>>>>> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do 
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> harmful to them? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have
>>>>>> violated
>>>>>> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for 
>>>>>> whom
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> her?
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>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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