[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Tue Aug 9 12:06:33 UTC 2011

    Just to reinforce what Joshua is saying.
Repentance (must do before baptism)

Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a 
confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord 
Jesus Christ

(Romans 5:1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and 
the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 
17:30).

The word "repentance" comes from several Greek words which mean, change of 
views and purpose, change of heart, change of mind, change of life, to 
transform,

etc.

Jesus said, -except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be 
preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Baptism

The scriptural mode of baptism is immersion, and is only for those who have 
fully repented, having turned from their sins and a love of the world. It 
should

be administered by a duly authorized minister of the Gospel, in obedience to 
the Word of God, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the

Acts of the Apostles 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5; thus obeying and fulfilling 
Matthew 28:19.

Receiving the Holy Spirit

John the Baptist, in Matthew 3:11, said, "...He shall baptize you with the 
Holy Ghost, and with fire."

Jesus, in Acts 1:5, said, "...ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not 
many days hence."

Luke tells us in Acts 2:4, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and 
began to speak with other tongues (languages), as the Spirit gave them 
utterance."

The terms "baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire," "filled with the Holy 
Spirit," and the "gift of the Holy Ghost" are synonymous terms used 
interchangeably

in the Bible.

It is scriptural to expect all who receive the gift, filling, or baptism of 
the Holy Spirit to receive the same physical, initial sign of speaking with

other tongues.

The speaking with other tongues, as recorded in Acts 2:4, 10:46, and 19:6, 
and the gift of tongues, as explained in 1 Corinthians, chapters 12 and 14, 
are

the same in essence, but different in use and purpose.

The Lord, through the Prophet Joel, said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all 
flesh; ..." (Joel 2:28).

Peter, in explaining this phenomenal experience, said, having received of 
the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He (Jesus) hath shed forth this 
which

ye now see and hear." (Acts 2:33). Further, "...The promise is unto you, and 
to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our

God shall call." (Acts 2:39).

This is the true plan of salvation. It is being “born again,” through the 
water and fire. Being baptized in the name of Jesus isn’t enough to save 
you. You need the Holy Ghost as well, in order to enter the Kingdom of God. 
Read the book of Acts in your Bible.

May God bless you all.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:02 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Baptism alone doesn't save, but it's part of it.
See, 1 Peter, 3:21.
Backsliders, aren't saved.
They turned away from God, therefore,) they've lost their salvation.
See, 1 John, Chapter 4.
There's a verse that says, "He that comiteth sins, is of the devil.
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/8/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
> Once you are saved--have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior--you 
> cannot
> lose your salvation.  If you can lose it and then gain it back, it is 
> works
> that are saving you.  Works cannot save you.  Jesus offers the free gift 
> of
> salvation--to live with Him forever--if you only reach out and take the 
> gift
> He offers.  Baptism can't save you.  Going to church every time the doors
> are open won't save you.  Helping your neighbor down the street when a 
> need
> arises won't save you.
> And we all are sinners saved by grace because until the day we die we will
> continue to sin.  Those bad things we asked forgiveness of when we prayed
> the sinner's prayer and accepted God's free gift have been wiped clean. 
> But
> from then on we must try not to do wrong but if we do, we must ask
> forgiveness.  For if we cannot ask for forgiveness how do we expect to be
> forgiven.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> F. Kennedy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Leslie Howard, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:19 PM
> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with regard 
> to
> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
>
> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people 
> refer
> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will of
> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's standards.
>
> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the term
> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born again,
> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
> Atheist?"
>
> Not in my opinion.
>
> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A 
> saved
> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
>
> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once saved,
> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. It 
> is
> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
>
> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I believe
> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be 
> lost
> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose that
> salvation.
>
> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's 
> grace,
> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes 
> null
> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them 
> over
> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
>
> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and 
> not
> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word 
> tells
> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks after 
> God
> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to fall?
> No, I don't believe so.
>
> Did that make any sense at all?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not all
> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
>
>> That's what I was saying.
>> She needs Jesus.
>> The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
>> They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
>> one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
>> That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
>> her Bible, and praying.
>> She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
>> show true Biblical Christianity.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would imagine
>>> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
>>>
>>> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was pure
>>> and
>>> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and crucified
>>> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? I
>>> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against me
>>> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. Should 
>>> I
>>> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my
>>> anger
>>> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not let
>>> the
>>> sun set on my anger towards her.
>>>
>>> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the
>>> opportunity?
>>> Certainly not.
>>>
>>> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would see
>>> God's
>>> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to 
>>> hear
>>> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to reach
>>> her.
>>>
>>> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise
>>> forgiveness
>>> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in
>>> positions
>>> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do something
>>> harmful to them? No.
>>>
>>> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have
>>> violated
>>> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and use
>>> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for whom
>>> we
>>> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all that
>>> we
>>> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>
>>> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out to
>>> her?
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