[Faith-talk] sin!

[Jeanette]

yes we do what God calls us to do and we do not sit in judegment of others 
who God calls to do other things, my brother is a very godly man, he plays 
several instruments, he has played in bars before he bacame a Christian and 
now he plays with his friends and in different venues and sometimes there is 
gospel music and sometimes there isn't.
i am just saying that laying all those rules on folks will turn them away 
from the Gospel, God has to lead us to where he wants us to be, we are 
indeed to be in the world and not of it, but if we separate ourselves from 
the world to a great degree we never have the opportunity to witness to 
those who do not know our Lord and Savior.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!


> Holiness, like the Godhead is a revelation.
> God has to reveal it to you.
> I'm not saying, that I'm better than anyone else, but the way I was
> raised, and the Biblical teachings I received, have been what has kept
> me out of trouble, while my friends, were getting in trouble.
> I give God the glory for this.
> I could have gotten into other kinds of music, and playing in bars, (I
> play the piano, and the guitar,) but I'm playing music that glorifies
> Jesus Christ.
> You do what God tells you to do.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 8/9/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> well i guess the entire congregation i go to church with along with all 
>> of
>> my friends and family are not christian by your standards, i find this
>> amazing, yet again rules for folks who are free through the sacrafice of 
>> our
>> Lord and savior are not Christians in your opinion, very judgemental, 
>> some
>> of the strongest and most faithful Christians i know where make up, 
>> listen
>> to music other than Christian and cut their hair, this is legalism, i 
>> think
>> god calls all of us to what He wants us to do, it is between us and god 
>> how
>> we live our lives, there are certainly tings that we can agree on but all 
>> of
>> these tings you mention just sound legalistic to me and rules that keep 
>> you
>> in a comfort zone you feel you need to be in, fine for you but putting 
>> those
>> standards on everyone else puts you in a position of judgement and makes 
>> you
>> seem to think you are more Holy than anyone else, not true, we are all
>> sinners and fall short of the glory of God, we all have the struggles and
>> sinful nature of sin, some of us strive to be more Holy than others, but 
>> how
>> scary that you sit in judgement with your rules of all of the rest of us,
>> must be hard to get folks to listen to your witness when they ahve to get
>> through all of the rules you have to live under in order to feel you are
>> serving our loving God.
>> none of those rules have anything to do with your salvation, Christ died
>> once and for all for your salvation, end of story.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>
>>
>>> How sad.
>>> The modern church calls holiness, legalistic.
>>> Holiness starts, in the heart.
>>> Once it's in your heart, it will work its way on the outside.
>>> I used to think I was okay, saying I was a Christian, but I listened
>>> to country music, old rock N Roll, Pop, etc.
>>> I loved the Grand Ole Opry.
>>> I didn't think it was wrong, for me to play "Amazing Grace," on
>>> sunday, and then "The Last Date," (Floyd Cramer,) on friday night in a
>>> talent show.
>>> God revealed things to me, in that holiness church I grew up in.
>>> I ended up getting rid of my secular music.
>>> I've had more joy, living holy, than I had, straddling the fence, (so to
>>> speak.)
>>> We must be holy.
>>> "Without holiness, no man shall see God."
>>> This isn't being judgmental, or legalistic.
>>> It's living a Godly life.
>>> Jesus told us to be separate from the world.
>>> We're in this world, but not of it.
>>> Because I'm different from the world, I don't do these things.
>>> Desires of the flesh are not pleasing to God.
>>> I was raised in the Friends, (Quaker,) church.
>>> Our women didn't cut their hair, wear makeup, pants, or jewelry.
>>> Apostolic women have the same holiness standards, and I'm glad.
>>> Men have standards too.
>>> We don't have beards.
>>> Jesus humbled himself, and allowed the Roman soldiers to pluck his beard
>>> out.
>>> Out of our inward humility, we shave.
>>> The beard, in Jewish culture resembles pride.
>>> The Bible says, "Pride goeth before destruction.
>>> Women wearing makeup, is against scripture.
>>> Paul talks about shame-facedness, in Hebrews, 13.
>>> Concerning women cutting their hair, read 1 Corinthians, 11:1/15.
>>> The Greek word for long, in verse 15, means uncut.
>>> A woman isn't to have a razor to touch her head.
>>> Pants, pertains to a man.
>>> The Bible says, that neither gender should wear anything pertaining to
>>> the opposite gender.
>>> These standards aren't extrabiblical, they're scriptural.
>>> You must take these dress codes, that Paul carried over into the New
>>> Testament, literally.
>>> I was raised Holiness, so when I joined the AG, I wanted Pentecost.
>>> What I found, was they emphasized Pentecost, but they didn't mention
>>> holiness.
>>> What drew me to the Apostolics, was that they had both, the holiness
>>> standards I grew up with, plus Pentecost.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/9/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> i don't think any of us stay there, we all sin, mistakes are different
>>>> than
>>>> sin and there is nothing shameful in calling sin sin i think some folks
>>>> think if they call it something other than sin it indicates they are
>>>> beeter
>>>> than the Christians they view as fallen or something. we are equally
>>>> sinners, none better than any other, we are  to love one another and
>>>> share
>>>> the truth of Christ with each other, it s the arguing over doctrine and
>>>> the
>>>> legalism that turns folks away from Christianity, i used to be more
>>>> legalistic and the Lord has shown me how this is wrong.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I do make mistakes, like everyone else.
>>>>> I'm human.
>>>>> I just don't stay there.
>>>>> Please read John Wesley's writings, and you'll understand, the way I
>>>>> was raised, and taught from the scriptures.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> i think you are very judgemental and idealistic, we are all sinners,
>>>>>> none
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us are  perfect, everyone stumbles except maybe you frm the way you
>>>>>> talk.
>>>>>> we are free in christ and to make up rules that folks have to follow 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> leagalism and although i agree with you that drinking to extreme and
>>>>>> dressing immodestly and telling bad jokes are things we as Christians
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> not be a part of , i would never judge anyone about what they do, it 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> between them and God, do i feel that theya re stumbling, yes?  do i
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> that they are struggling, yes. do i pray for them? yes, but do i 
>>>>>> judge
>>>>>> them?
>>>>>> no.  we are not to judge folks, look at the fruit in their lives, 
>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> rules and regulations are what folks get tangled up in instead of
>>>>>> sharing
>>>>>> God's love, if you talk to folks who have issues with the church, 
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> folks, the rules are what they struggle with, Jesus did not give us
>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have to follow and if we don't we are not saved, He gave us  His
>>>>>> sacrafice
>>>>>> on the cross, He gives us forgiveness and  He gives us eternal life,
>>>>>> rigid
>>>>>> rules are not our Savior at all, that is legalism and not a part of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> gospel of Jesus Christ, i do not agree with the behavior of some 
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> even the dress of some folks, but i refuse to judge them and say 
>>>>>> theya
>>>>>> re
>>>>>> not Christians because they do things i do not agree with.
>>>>>> we are to love those who are in different places in their walks with
>>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>> as to once saved always saved, i donot support this doctrine in any
>>>>>> way,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> i maintain the Bible tells us we are sinners til we get to heaven, we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> filthy rags and we need our Savior and the Holy spirit to guide us
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> the world we are in for but a while.
>>>>>> repentance for sure is what wea re to have when we sin, but if you
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> because we are saved we no longer sin then you read a  different 
>>>>>> bible
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> i do, we will sin, you are just trying to make yourself better than
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> if you think  you do not sin, i know i do daily and dailty i confess
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> things i do that i know are wrong, i do not do them willfully but i
>>>>>> slip
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> i fall and praise God that i have my Savior to turn to when i fail 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> will forgive me if i am repentant, for sure there are those who think
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can do as they please and confees to God or a priest or something and
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> doing as they please,  i do not think this is what we are talking
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rex, using your ideas, I can agree.
>>>>>>> I agree with what you're saying, but John Wesley words it 
>>>>>>> differently.
>>>>>>> Have you read Wesley's writings?
>>>>>>> We as believers shouldn't live in a lifestyle of sin.
>>>>>>> Those that believe in this "Once saved, always saved," stuff believe
>>>>>>> that we sin, (habitually,) in word, thought and deed.
>>>>>>> That's my problem.
>>>>>>> You have people, that call themselves Christians, but they smoke,
>>>>>>> drink, mess around, etc.
>>>>>>> This reminds me of my youth group.
>>>>>>> I'd ask my friends, (these were boys in my AG youth group,) what
>>>>>>> they've been doing.
>>>>>>> Their response was a joking one, but still sinful.
>>>>>>> "Smoking weed."
>>>>>>> The Bible says, "let no corrupt communication proceed forth, out of
>>>>>>> thy
>>>>>>> mouth."
>>>>>>> It also says, that we're not to even let sin be mentioned, among us.
>>>>>>> We shouldn't be partaking in sin.
>>>>>>> If we're Christians, (which means Christlike,) we're to be an 
>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>> We should be different from the world.
>>>>>>> We should listen to Godly music, not secular music.
>>>>>>> We shouldn't watch worldly garbage, on TV.
>>>>>>> We shouldn't tell filthy jokes, or use profanity.
>>>>>>> It bothers me, to hear someone say, "I love Jesus," but their life
>>>>>>> doesn't prove it.
>>>>>>> We shouldn't dress like the world.
>>>>>>> We had a lady, (the wife of the worship leader,) come into church,
>>>>>>> with a halter top.
>>>>>>> Do you know what that is?
>>>>>>> A halter top, is shorter than a mini-skirt.
>>>>>>> Whatever happened to modesty?
>>>>>>> What's going on?
>>>>>>> We, as Christians have put up with too much mess, and God is not
>>>>>>> pleased!
>>>>>>> He's not returning for a church, like this!
>>>>>>> He's returning for a church, without spot or wrinkle.
>>>>>>> We can't stay in sin.
>>>>>>> We need to repent, (change direction.)
>>>>>>> Repentance isn't, "Oh God, I'm sorry," and then going back into that
>>>>>>> mess.
>>>>>>> It's asking forgiveness, and living holy, turning your back on sin.
>>>>>>> We no longer are sinners, when we get saved, because the sin nature 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> dead.
>>>>>>> We only become sinners again, when we let that sin nature resurrect
>>>>>>> itself, but who would want to?
>>>>>>> Keep that flesh crucified daily, and ask God to help you avoid sin.
>>>>>>> "Lead us not, into temptation, but deliver us from evil."
>>>>>>> Lord, keep me, and guide my feet, so I don't stumble back into sin.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/9/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have some thoughts on what Joshua said about shortcomings versus
>>>>>>>> sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I mess up, and I do sometimes, I consider it sin. I consider 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> sin
>>>>>>>> because I have acted outside of the will of God. I have acted in
>>>>>>>> disobedience to God's word. I have allowed my flesh to overcome my
>>>>>>>> spirit
>>>>>>>> man.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not a shortcoming, it is sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, it is not willful or habitual. I do not, at any time, wish
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> in willful or habitual sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't like dirty jokes, strong language, fowl movies and the 
>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>> people may say that I'm a fanatic for taking that approach and 
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> fine,
>>>>>>>> Jesus was called a fanatic so I think I'm in good company.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I simply know that if I bring garbage into my heart, garbage will
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of my mouth and eventually garbage would take over my life. The 
>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am saved prevents me from ever wanting that to happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are two excerpts regarding sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first is from a book called "the Gospel to be Preached," 
>>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> Andrus. The second is from David Guzik's commentary on I John.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >From "the Gospel to be Preached"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we think of sin it is often associated with an act of
>>>>>>>> disobedience.
>>>>>>>> Although true, this is incomplete.  Sin is more than mere conduct 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> deeds
>>>>>>>> contrary to a rule, command or law.  Sin is an attitude or
>>>>>>>> disposition
>>>>>>>> toward God.  It is from this attitude or disposition, against God,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> specific words or deeds originate.  Deeds or acts in and of
>>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not necessarily wrong.  If this were not so, Jesus would not have
>>>>>>>> condemned
>>>>>>>> the Pharisees. (Matthew 23)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      The Pharisees were very devout law abiding people who believed
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you did not do a thing wrong, God would accept you into heaven.  In
>>>>>>>> Matthew,
>>>>>>>> chapters 5 through 7, Jesus taught that a person's motivation,
>>>>>>>> disposition,
>>>>>>>> and attitudes were also sinful.  As a general rule, behavior does 
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> control a person, but a person controls their behavior.  This
>>>>>>>> corresponds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> sin in that we are not sinful because we did something wrong.
>>>>>>>> Instead
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> wrong things because we are already sinful, inclined to do wrong,
>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the start. Traditionally we call this original sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Why is this important?  It is so for several reasons.  First,
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> who has this attitude or motivation to sin, does not have a good,
>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> right relationship with God.  The Bible describes us as enemies of
>>>>>>>> God.
>>>>>>>> (Romans 5:7)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1 John 3:6 (KJV)Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever
>>>>>>>> sinneth
>>>>>>>> hath
>>>>>>>> not seen him, neither known him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1 John 1:7-9 (KJV) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the
>>>>>>>> light,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his
>>>>>>>> Son
>>>>>>>> cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we 
>>>>>>>> deceive
>>>>>>>> ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from 
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> unrighteousness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >From David Guzik's commentary on 1 John.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. (4-5) The nature of sin and Jesus' work in removing our sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is 
>>>>>>>> lawlessness.
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> no sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a. Sin is lawlessness: John defines sin at its most basic root. It 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> disregard for the law of God, which is inherently a disregard for 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>> Maker, God Himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i. We often fail in the battle against sin because we won't call it
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> it is: lawlessness, an offense against the Great Law Maker, God.
>>>>>>>> Instead,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> say things like "If I've done anything wrong . . ." or "Mistakes 
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> made .
>>>>>>>> . ." and so forth. Call it for what it is: sin and lawlessness. 
>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> step towards holy living is to recognize the true nature and
>>>>>>>> wickedness
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sin." (Stott)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. (6) Abiding in sin or abiding in God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen 
>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>> known Him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a. Whoever abides in Him does not sin: Since sin is lawlessness, a
>>>>>>>> disregard
>>>>>>>> for God (1 John 3:4), and since Jesus came to take away our sins (1
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 3:5), and since in Jesus there is no sin (1 John 3:5), then to 
>>>>>>>> abide
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>> means to not sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i. It is very important to understand what the Bible means - and 
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> does not mean - when it says does not sin. According to the verb
>>>>>>>> tense
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> uses, does not sin means does not live a life style of habitual 
>>>>>>>> sin.
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> has already told us in 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we
>>>>>>>> deceive
>>>>>>>> ourselves, and the truth is not in us. In 1 John 1:8, the grammar
>>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>>> John is speaking about occasional acts of sin. The grammar of 1 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 3:6
>>>>>>>> indicates that John is speaking of a settled, continued lifestyle 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sin.
>>>>>>>> John is not teaching here the possibility of sinless perfection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii. "The present tense in the Greek verb implied habit, continuity,
>>>>>>>> unbroken
>>>>>>>> sequence" (Stott); the NIV has the right idea when it translates
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> verbs
>>>>>>>> with phrases such as keeps on sinning, continues to sin, and he
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> sinning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> b. Whoever abides in Him does not sin: John's message is plain and
>>>>>>>> consistent with the rest of the Scriptures. It tells us that a life
>>>>>>>> style
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> habitual sin is inconsistent with a life of abiding in Jesus 
>>>>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> Christian can only be temporarily in a life style of sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i. Paul's teaching in Romans 6 is a great example of this 
>>>>>>>> principle.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> shows us that when a person comes to Jesus, when their sins are
>>>>>>>> forgiven
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> God's grace is extended to them, they are radically changed - the 
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> dead, and the new man lives. So it is utterly incompatible for a 
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> creation in Christ to be comfortable in habitual sin; such a place
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> be temporary for the Christian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii. In some ways, the question is not "do you sin or not?" We each
>>>>>>>> sin.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> question is, "How do you react when you sin? Do you give into the
>>>>>>>> pattern
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sin, and let it dominate your lifestyle? Or do you humbly confess
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> sin,
>>>>>>>> and do battle against it with the power Jesus can give?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iii. This is why it is so grieving to see Christians make excuses 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> sin, and not humbly confess them. Unless the sin is dealt with
>>>>>>>> squarely,
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> will contribute to a pattern of sin that may soon become their
>>>>>>>> lifestyle -
>>>>>>>> perhaps a secret lifestyle, but a lifestyle nonetheless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iv. What is important is that we never sign a "peace treaty" with
>>>>>>>> sin.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> never wink at its presence or excuse it by saying, "Everybody has
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> sinful areas, and this is mine. Jesus understands." This completely
>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>> against everything we are in Jesus, and the work He has done in our
>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him: To live a
>>>>>>>> lifestyle
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> habitual sin is to demonstrate that you have not seen Him (in a
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>> sense of the ultimate "seeing Him mentioned in 1 John 3:2), and 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> have not known Him. There are some people so great and so wonderful
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> seeing them or knowing them will change your life forever. Jesus is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> kind of person.
>>>>>>>>
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