[Faith-talk] Response

Wed Aug 10 15:08:38 UTC 2011

i think we each are lead by the Holy spirit to do what we believe is right, 
we should never sit in judgement  of each other, examine the fruit of folks, 
yes? but not judge others. Christ gives us the freedom to believe as we feel 
lead. jeanette
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From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler65 at windstream.net>
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> Linda,
> Thanks for your thorough response. I agree with what you've said to Joshua
> here.
>
> Regarding the Trinity, I once saw a children's book that explains the
> trinity very well. Take an apple. You have the skin, the fruit and the 
> seed.
> Each one by itself is part of the apple, and together form the complete
> apple. I'm not stating it very well, but hopefully, you get the idea.
>
> Having recently become Seventh-day Adventist, I know there are a lot of
> folks who will not wear jewelry or make up. There are those, too, for
> example, who are strict vegetarians, and those who (like myself) will eat
> meat, but do so according to what God told moses were the clean VS unclean
> animals. At first, I wasn't sure what I felt about that, but my pastor
> explained it, and it actually made sense. So, I can relate, sort of, to 
> what
> you said about thinking your church's beliefs being legalistic. It wasn't
> until I looked at it in the Bible that it made sense to me.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:24 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Response
>
> Hi all,
>
> OK, I have to say some things here.
>
> We come from different faiths and backgrounds. Some of us have changed
> denominations and/or Church affiliations at least once in our lives. Many,
> though they are Christians in the Biblical sense of the word, are not 
> taught
> strict separation. Our beliefs are based on what our pastor teaches us and
> what we glean from our own personal Bible reading and study.
>
> Joshua, you say that you don't sin anymore, now that you are saved.
> That is not Biblical, which has already been mentioned: "If we say we have
> no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
> That's you. You seem to think, as as also been mentioned, that everything
> you believe is right, and you have no tolerance for others' beliefs on 
> this
> list. We all know you're an Apostolic, so quit trying to cram your beliefs
> down our throats. People will not feel free to join in on our discussions
> here if you always make them feel that what they believe and hold to is
> wrong, just because you are so vocal.  You like to hear yourself, but,
> personally, I'm tired of your rantings and ravings.
>
> While I appreciate your beliefs, I'm not going to change mine. You are a
> sinner saved by grace. You are a sinner as long as you are on this earth;
> you just don't want to sin, nor do you persist in known sin. You're not
> better than the rest of us, but you come across as though you believe you
> are.
>
> I am an Independent Baptist, and a Calvinist. Since moving to Nebraska
> almost 7 years ago, I have worn only dresses and skirts, and I wear my 
> hair
> below my ears so as to be a covering. I know of nowhere in Scripture where
> women are told never to cut their hair.
> This would be impractical; imagine trying to walk without stepping on your
> hair because it's dragging on the ground after so many years of not being
> cut. Also, I don't wear earrings or make up. This is because this is what 
> my
> church teaches, and I believe it to be right.
> I wasn't taught anything of the sort in the other churches I was in, and 
> the
> last was a Baptist Church. I also don't have a TV or go to movies, or 
> smoke
> (never did), or drink any alcohol. But I know I probably do other things 
> and
> say things, or think thoughts that are not pleasing to God. Why? Because 
> I'm
> still living here on earth.
>
> At first, when I was made aware of the teachings of my present Church, I
> thought they were legalistic. But, when showed in the Scriptures, my heart
> and attitude were changed. Does that make me a better Christian than
> everyone else? No, but it makes me better than I was. None of us has
> arrived, and we all are growing and learning on this journey of life. 
> Does
> that mean that I expect others to live like me? No, unless we attend the
> same Church.
>
> As to why Christians smoke or drink, or swear, well, maybe God hasn't 
> gotten
> complete control of their lives. Frankly, there are times when He doesn't
> have control of my life! Or maybe the Church they attend doesn't preach
> against these things; many do not. That doesn't mean they aren't 
> Christians.
> Being a Christian means that Christ has chosen you, and you have responded
> by repenting and allowing Christ to live in you. Many have allowed Christ 
> to
> live in them, but they haven't been taught that they need to give up these
> things, and many others. Or, maybe they struggle with these things, and
> can't seem to get the victory over them. So, stop judging others. We can
> judge others only according to Scripture; we shouldn't compare one to
> another. And, we should not think more highly of ourselves than we ought.
> And don't expect others to live as you do in order to be saved, or in 
> order
> to prove to you that they are a Christian. They don't have to prove it to
> us, but we can be a fruit inspecter!
>
> I also believe that once I'm saved, I'm always saved. If I had to worry
> about it, I'd never have assurance of my salvation; nor could I trust that
> what Christ did for me is enough. I'd always wonder if I did something to
> get myself unsaved. That cheapens what Christ did, and gives me way too 
> much
> power over my own destiny. How arrogant and self-serving.
>
> When we accept Christ as our Saviour, the Holy Spirit comes in to us.
> This does not mean that we speak in tongues; Paul says in I Corinthians 13
> that tongues shall cease. On the day of Pentecost, the disciples spoke in
> different languags so that those present would be able to understand the
> Gospel message in their own tongue. Now, what is called tongues is an
> unintelligible bunch of nonsense syllables that mean absolutely nothing; 
> and
> you're encouraged to try and see if you have the gift of tongues. Well, if
> it's a gift, you don't have to try it; which tells me that it's not a gift
> at all, at least not a gift from God.
>
> Regarding the Trinity, this word isn't used in Scripture, but is inferred.
> It doesn't mean that there will be three persons sitting on one throne. 
> Our
> finite minds cannot quite grasp the concept. It's sort of like an egg, 
> which
> has the shell, the white and the yolk. All three parts make up the egg. I
> know it's poor, but it's the best we can do!
>
> We are all at different places in our walk with Christ, and in Christian
> maturity. It's not your way or the highway. There is only one road to
> heaven, and that's through Jesus Christ, God's Son. Each of us has a 
> story,
> each of us has a life to live to live, and we will go to heaven or hell
> based on what we did with Jesus: accept or reject Him.
>
> Now, don't unsubscribe from this list just because you think I'm picking 
> on
> you, or you disagree with this post. Be mature about it, and continue to
> grow in the knowledge of your Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
>
>
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