[Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?

Thu Aug 11 05:11:21 UTC 2011

Amy, first of all, no offense taken.
#1. the new convert, can come as they are, but when they've been born
again, there's a change that needs to take place.
The legislation of holiness, isn't necessary, because when they get
the Holy Ghost, everything else naturally falls into place, (or it
should,) if the proper example is shown.
#2. About the church going clothes.
If the person can't afford it, it's the church's job, to help that
person, when they see the revelation of holiness.
Jesus said, if we do it unto the least of these, we've done it unto him.
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/10/11, Amy Ragain <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> no offence, but who are you to judge what is appropriate clothing for
> someone to where to church? and I must ask you this as well, isn't it better
> that they come no matter what they where so that they may have the chance to
> hear God's word than to not come at all because they dont dress propporly??
> I think we should leave the judging of the outside appearence of ppl to the
> Lord, and focus on sharing God's love and saving grace with them!
> what if someone doesn't own and cant aford to buy the proppor church going
> clothes for instance are they to wait until they can aford to buy some?
> I believ that God would rather have them come hear the Word in whatever they
> have than wait until it is perhaps too late for them to hear at all!
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> I'm not one to judge sleeve lengths, and things like that.
>> I just don't like people going to church, dressed inappropriately.
>> I believe, that extrabiblical standards lead to legalism, but it isn't
>> legalistic, when there are certain things spelled out, clearly in the
>> Bible.
>> I showed you about the women, and the hair, in 1 Corinthians, 11.
>> That isn't legalistic, because it's clearly spelled out in scripture.
>> Also, one of our preachers in the UPC, named Lee Stoneking has a
>> powerful sermon on this truth, on Youtube.
>> Please listen to him.
>> Also, again, please read John Wesley's writings.
>> I'm concerned about everyone, on here.
>> I love you, with God's love.
>> Sometimes, I have to tell people what they don't want to hear, because
>> it's called speaking the truth in love.
>> I remember when I was growing up.
>> We had a tent revival, every summer.
>> Walter Airs preached under the big tent, every July.
>> He preached Hell, so hot I could feel the fire, and smell the smoke.
>> He'd cry, because he didn't want anyone to go there.
>> Conviction fell on me, every time I heard him preach.
>> When he'd mention the bottomless pit, I could imagine it, because his
>> description was so graphic.
>> I could feel my self falling, and falling, and there was no stopping it.
>> It's that kind of holiness preaching, that brings conviction to the souls.
>> It isn't Joel Ostine's, "discover the champion in you," nonsense, that
>> wins souls.
>> There's no mention of the cross, or the blood.
>> The churches today have removed the blood, from the songbooks, because
>> it's too offensive.
>> Now, the so-called praise and worship music, resembles that of a rock
>> concert.
>> What a shame!
>> Go back to holiness, and the blood, and souls will be saved again,
>> like they were in the old time way.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> i am a former homeschooler, one of the subjects very close to the hearts
>>> of
>>> many homeschoolers is teaching our young children to be modest, modest by
>>> the way is relative to the culture you live in.  what is modesty to one
>>> culture is not to another, it is all about understanding what God calls
>>> folks to do rather than a set  of laws set up by one group of folks  to
>>> rule
>>> over us.  we each have to make the decisions of what we feel is
>>> appropriate
>>> for our family because it is between us and God, to sit in judgement over
>>> folks because they wear sleeveless shirts versus shirts with sleeves or
>>> because their shorts are too short and not to their knees is legalism,
>>> ridiculousness that Paul also talks about, we are to focus our minds on
>>> the
>>> things of God, not on the things that cause quarrels in the body, we each
>>> answer to god for our actions as well as all aspects of our lives, this
>>> argument and your continued attempt to force your beliefs on us is one of
>>> the ways i believe satan   causes trouble in the body.
>>> we are to love one another, yes even those of us who wear make up and cut
>>> our hair or wear pants or even those who have a drink from time to time
>>> are
>>> christians and we love the Lord as much of those who believe that because
>>> they follow a certain set of rules they are holier than the rest. i
>>> really
>>> feel like this subject needs to be put to rest.
>>> you are for sure entitled to your beliefs and your way of life, i admire
>>> you for trying to live up to standards you think god has called you to,
>>> but
>>> i also believe that i too  attempt through the guidance of the  Holy
>>> Spirit
>>> to live a holy life and i stumble from time to time, this is sin and i
>>> ask
>>> forgiveness from my Lord and Savior and He forgives me and i grow closer
>>> to
>>> Him. jeanette
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:02 AM
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> If you want to know, where I get my holiness beliefs from, here's a
>>>> site, with all of the Bible verses on modesty.
>>>> http://www.openbible.info/topics/modesty-
>>>> After reading these scriptures, you decide, whether this is holiness,
>>>> or legalistic.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
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