[Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

Thu Dec 1 05:25:20 UTC 2011

for pete's sake, is cutting your hair a condition of salvation in your 
opinion, seems ridiculous to me all this discussion of hair cutting and 
wearing pants, my grandmother who was the strongest and most devoted 
christian i knew  cut her hair and wore pants from time to time
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and 
site

Did you read Paul's sayings about this, in 1 Corinthians 11?
Women didn't ever cut their hair, until the 1920's.
This was when "Bobbed Hair," became popular.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> women did not cut their hair. Where is that fact from? Did Wesley really
> preach such a thing?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:57 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and
> site
>
> The Church of England, was Calvinist, (reformed.)
> The Wesleys taught holiness.
> Women didn't cut their hair, wear makeup, or pants.
> They still don't.
> As a matter of fact, I'll go into details, in an offlist E-mail.
> Fox and the Quakers taught similar things, but there was one disagreement.
> Fox was antimilitary, Wesley wasn't.
> I agree more with Wesley.
> BTW, I'm thankful for my military heritage.Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> If Luther was 1500s, then the Wesly brothers came after him. The 
>> Methodist
>> founding was not till 1739 in America.
>> So this chronology makes sense. You all said Wesleys were part of Church
>> of
>> England. I assume they have disagreements with the church and therefore
>> started their own religion.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:54 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and
>> site
>>
>> Luther was back in the 14, and 1500's.
>> He tried to reform the Roman Catholic Church, which led to the
>> Protestant Reformation.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> thanks for clarifying. I heard Charles Wesley wrote
>>> hymns. I didn't know he wrote one of my favorites: hark the harold angel
>>> sing. Good to know.
>>>
>>> Thanks for providing the website in your other email. I didn't know
>>> where I could find Wesley sermons.
>>>
>>> I hear reference to Church of England. Is that the church that Luther
>>> tried
>>> to "reform". Also, is the term Anglican the same as church of england?
>>> I am trying to get some terms straight.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:02 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>
>>> Wesley, and Fox both came out of the Church of England.
>>> The Wesley Brothers were like Paul and Cylass, in the Jail cell.
>>> John preached, and Charles, (his brother,) sang, and wrote hymns.
>>> Charles wrote, "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing."
>>> George Fox founded the Friends movement, (AKA the Quakers.)
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/30/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Wesley family were all Anglican or members of the Church of 
>>>> England.
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Do you mean John Wesley?
>>>> What does he have to do with George Fox?
>>>> You said you read Calvinist and Quaker preachers and then mention these
>>>> names.
>>>>
>>>> If we are talking about the same Wesley, he founded the Methodist
>>>> church,
>>>> but may have been Quaker; not sure.
>>>> His teachings do line up with scripture.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:46 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>> Predestination is for the church, as a group, not individual
>>>> predestination.
>>>> I have read writings by both Calvinists, and Quaker preachers, (I came
>>>> out of the Quaker church.)
>>>> I find Wesley's beliefs supported with scripture, and in my oppinion,
>>>> Wesley, and George Fox line up more with scripture, than Calvin.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> gee joshua here we go again with you judging folks and telling us who
>>>>> is
>>>>> wrong and who is right, you are blessed that the folks on here who do
>>>>> not
>>>>> agree with you don't call your favorite teachers such things, once
>>>>> again
>>>>> you
>>>>> do not understand the calvinist teachings, you are taking one 
>>>>> scripture
>>>>> and
>>>>> trying to create doctrine out of it or listening to folks and taking
>>>>> their
>>>>> word for it, you need to read all scripture in context, once saved
>>>>> always
>>>>> saved is a very missunderstood doctrine as well, if a person is saved
>>>>> and
>>>>> back slides permanently then maybe they were never actually saved, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> idea of predestination is supported by just as many scriptures as your
>>>>> beliefs are supported by, so it is up to each of us as Christians who
>>>>> have
>>>>> the Holy Spirit dwelling is us to read, pray and listen to teachings
>>>>> and
>>>>> discern what we believ to be true, it is overwhelmingly irritating to
>>>>> have
>>>>> you a very very young person and a very very young Christian to sit
>>>>> here
>>>>> and
>>>>> tell us all what is true and what is not true, you are not the end all
>>>>> be
>>>>> all authority, and you just keep insulting folks and judging them 
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> what you ahve been taught, others might think you are wrong and
>>>>> missinformed
>>>>> you know? be kind and gentle in spirit, you can share your beliefs but
>>>>> as
>>>>> has been said before on this list, quit telling us what is a fact 
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> your own personal beliefs
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Calvin was a Frenchman, that taught many false teachings.
>>>>> Here's a quote from Calvin, that turns me away from his doctrine.
>>>>> "There are babies in Hell, the size of the span of a man's hand."
>>>>> He believed in predestination.
>>>>> Most of your baptist friends, (mainly those of Charles Stanley's
>>>>> persuasion,) believe in some form of predestination.
>>>>> One form is Unconditional Eternal Security, which, (if you were a
>>>>> Wesleyan Methodist,) you would have heard the phrase, Once Saved
>>>>> Always Saved.
>>>>> This means, no matter what you do, you can still go to Heaven if you
>>>>> were once saved.
>>>>> This means, that there's no such thing as a backslider.
>>>>> You can smoke, drink, fornicate, and do everything in the world, and
>>>>> still make Heaven, while you're in sin.
>>>>> Whatever happened to holiness, and separation?
>>>>> I miss old time Holiness, and Wesleyan preaching!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Jeannette,
>>>>>> Yes. When I heard him, he doesn't have a rambling style like some
>>>>>> bible
>>>>>> teachers.
>>>>>> He also backs up what he says with tons of scripture as well as the
>>>>>> historical
>>>>>> context. That is what is appealing. I also listen to other preachers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Baptist faith and nondenominational ones as well on our Christian
>>>>>> radio
>>>>>> station. I like them for various reasons. People such as Charles
>>>>>> Stanley
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> David Jeremiah are just a few of them.
>>>>>> So he is a Calvinist. I didn't know that before this list; the radio
>>>>>> station
>>>>>> did not say, so I thought he might be nondenominational.
>>>>>> What does that mean? I know there was a guy named something Calvin
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Protestant reformation. But its been so long since I studied the
>>>>>> Middle
>>>>>> ages
>>>>>> and Renaissance that I forget what exactly Calvin did or what he
>>>>>> founded.
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> was British is what I recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this  monthly teaching on CD about? Is it free?
>>>>>> The website did have some articles from the magazine, but I don't
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>> the full magazine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jeanette
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:11 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have heard that the classes are accessable, if not i am sure they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> work to see that they could be, R.C. Sproul is amazing, i get his
>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>> teaching on cd and enjoy it a lot, he is amazing and so knowledgable
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Bible, he is  of course a Calvinist, and all of his teachings are
>>>>>> backed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> by tons and tons of scripture in context with historical info
>>>>>> included,
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> do get the monthly magazine which is easy to read with kurzweil.
>>>>>> ligonier.org is how i think it is spelled, let me go look.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeanette said in the magazine thread
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can also go on ligoneir.org to read the Tabletalk magazine by R.
>>>>>>> C.
>>>>>>> Sproul if he is your cup of tea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is the wrong spelling as that site did not work. Anyone
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> his site? I was on it one time but forget its address; I linked from
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> website to his.
>>>>>>> He is good; I listen to his study broadcast called Renewing your
>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>> I don’t think the Tabletalk magazine is fully online; but better 
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> none. The articles are the current issue, but it’s a sampling of the
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> copy magazine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also has anyone taken his bible online classes? Are they accessible?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don’t
>>>>>>> have time to do it now, but might someday and was curious to know if
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> worked with screen readers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
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