[Faith-talk] more truth

Sun Jun 5 15:28:19 UTC 2011

i  think that we can each express our beliefs without being unkind to the 
others, there are so many different beliefs on this list and i find it 
interesting to hear them, i have not been exposed to many different beliefs. 
thanks to all for sharing, Jeanette
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From: "John J. Boyer" <john at godtouches.org>
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth


>I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing
> one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the beliefs
> of others.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>>    John,
>> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>> That's just what I see happening.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: John J. Boyer
>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>
>> Kirt,
>>
>> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>>
>> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the Bible
>> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into the
>> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church Fathers.
>> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and they
>> had resources that we don't.
>>
>> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that has
>> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There has
>> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
>> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there was
>> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter to
>> clean up its own house.
>>
>> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
>> interreligious dialog.
>>
>> Peace, Love, Service,
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>> >John,
>> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from each
>> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have a
>> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
>> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell you
>> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common ground
>> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>> >  Blessings,
>> >Kirt
>> >
>> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective 
>> >> should
>> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying 
>> >> "Argue
>> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
>> >> messages in this thread.
>> >>
>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing
>> >>> different
>> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
>> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an argument 
>> >>> that
>> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
>> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing instead
>> >>> of
>> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that the
>> >>> three
>> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know that 
>> >>> one
>> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and 
>> >>> ask
>> >>> to
>> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a mid-tribulation,
>> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
>> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord and
>> >>> Savior
>> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying to
>> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>> >>> Barbara
>> >>>
>> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall
>> >>> pay
>> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend,
>> >>> oppose
>> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>> >>> liberty.--John
>> >>> F. Kennedy
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