[Faith-talk] more truth

Mon Jun 6 12:16:55 UTC 2011

You're right, that faith saves us, but in James, you read that faith
without works, (corresponding action,) is dead.
Mark 16:16, says, that he that believeth, and is baptized, shall be saved.
Notice Jesus doesn't stop at believing, he put a conjunction, (and,)
is baptized.
The, "and," says it all.
You have to have the faith, but you must be obedient, or your
confession is just empty words.
Faith without works is dead.
Repent, (there's your belief, faith, or whatever you want to call it,)
and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of
sins, (there's the obedience,) and you shall receive the gift of the
Holy Ghost.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> It is faith that saves, not baptism. The water doesn't save us, but
> accepting Christs' sacrifice upon the cross does. That is why Peter (in
> Acts) says "Repent and be baptized."
>
> If I was baptized, but didn't first repent, then my baptism would be of no
> use.
>
> Here's what the Seventh-day Adventist church, which I recently joined, says
> about baptism:
> 15. Baptism:
> By baptism we confess our faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus
> Christ, and testify of our death to sin and of our purpose to walk in
> newness of life. Thus we acknowledge Christ as Lord and Saviour, become His
> people, and are received as members by His church. Baptism is a symbol of
> our union with Christ, the forgiveness of our sins, and our reception of the
> Holy Spirit. It is by immersion in water and is contingent on an affirmation
> of faith in Jesus and evidence of repentance of sin. It follows instruction
> in the Holy Scriptures and acceptance of their teachings. (Rom. 6:1-6; Col.
> 2:12, 13; Acts 16:30-33; 22:16; 2:38; Matt. 28:19, 20.)
>
> This was taken from the following web page:
> http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:48 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>
> That was before the day of Pentecost.
> After Pentecost, (the birth of the church,) this Acts 2:38, plan was
> instated, and will remain the plan of salvation, until the rapture of the
> church.
> Also, remember what Jesus told Nicodemus, in John 3:5?
> Also, read Romans, 6:4.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> so how do you explain the guy on the cross who Jesus told today you
>> will be with me in paradise?  he was not baptized before he died
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>
>>
>>> Yes you do.
>>> 1 Peter, 3:21 says so.
>>> Acts, 2:38, says so.
>>> Also, why did Paul rebaptize the believers, in Acts, 19:5, if it
>>> didn't matter how you were baptized?
>>> Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
>>> It's like this.
>>> I'm a brother, a son, and a musician.
>>> Brother, son and musician, are not my name, they just describe the
>>> different roles I have.
>>> God is the same way.
>>> Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, etc,
>>> are roles, or titles, but Jesus is the name.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/5/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
>>>> You do not have to be baptized to be saved.
>>>> Baptism is just you way of showing the world that you've been washed
>>>> by the blood and are a new creature.
>>>> If you accep Christ as savior and never get baptized, you're not
>>>> going to hell.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
>>>> shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any
>>>> friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the
>>>> success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:51 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>>>
>>>> Well, here's the deal.
>>>> The blood of Jesus remits the sin.
>>>> Notice, that remission doesn't come, until a person is baptized in
>>>> Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.) If the blood isn't applied noone can
>>>> make Heaven.
>>>> That's what the Bible says.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a good missionary for Jesus' attitudes. As I say on my
>>>>> website and in my signature, Peace, Love, Service. Let us begin
>>>>> with allo groups who claim to be Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us also not put limits on God's  mercy. Only He knows who will
>>>>> eventually end up in hell. Judge not, that you will not be judged.
>>>>> Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:50:48AM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>   Ok, but the way we procelyte makes all the difference in the world.
>>>>>> If we go in to it saying "I am right!  I am right and you're wrong
>>>>>> because your doctrine is false!", we're not really going to win
>>>>>> anyone over, are we?  I think a better way to do it, if you're
>>>>>> going to procelyte, is to say "I see all the good you have now.
>>>>>> Come talk to me and we can add to it."  And, just because you
>>>>>> don't "win everyone over" doesn't mean you can't work with those
>>>>>> people who don't accept your doctrine to improve the world.  Some
>>>>>> of my richest friendships are with those who disagree with my
>>>>>> particular understanding of scripture.
>>>>>>   And, Joshua, you're right.  I don't like it either when people
>>>>>> call me "non-Christian", condemn me to hell, say I'm part of a
>>>>>> "Satanic cult because I don't believe in the trinity, the list
>>>>>> goes on and on forever what people can say.  I daresay we've
>>>>>> probably had some of the same insults thrown at us...cult!  Hericy!
> Apostate!  Non-Christian!
>>>>>> Pagan!  (or, in your case, probably "monolatraist!"  It's not
>>>>>> fair, it's not right, it hurts.  But Christ says love your
>>>>>> enemies, turn the other cheak, and do unto others as you would have
> them do unto you.
>>>>>> I'd certainly hope people of all faiths would treat me with the
>>>>>> love and respect and dignity I feel my religion deserves, I'm sure
>>>>>> you feel the same, so shouldn't we treat all others the same way
>>>>>> we'd hope they would treat us?
>>>>>>   Warmly,
>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean
>>>>>> > concealing one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to
>>>>>> > understand the beliefs of others.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > John
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>>>>>> >>    John,
>>>>>> >> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>>>>>> >> That's just what I see happening.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: John J. Boyer
>>>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>>>>>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Kirt,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the
>>>>>> >> Bible and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make
>>>>>> >> it into the New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of
>>>>>> >> the Church Fathers.
>>>>>> >> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are,
>>>>>> >> and they had resources that we don't.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group
>>>>>> >> that has adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church
>>>>>> >> Fathers. There has never been a Great Apostasy in which the
>>>>>> >> whole Church abandoned the teachings. Therefore there cannot be
>>>>>> >> a Restoration. Likewise, there was never a Reformation.
>>>>>> >> However, the Church did learn from the latter to clean up its
>>>>>> >> own house.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice
>>>>>> >> attempt at interreligious dialog.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>>>> >> John
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>> >> >John,
>>>>>> >> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn
>>>>>> >> >from  each other and have a constructive discussion.  I think
>>>>>> >> >it's ok to have a civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn
>>>>>> >> >into an argument...am I making any sense?  It's like saying "I
>>>>>> >> >respect you enough to tell you I disagree with you on this
>>>>>> >> >issue, but look at all this common ground we share!"  In other
>>>>>> >> >words, disagree agreeably.
>>>>>> >> >  Blessings,
>>>>>> >> >Kirt
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The
>>>>>> >> >> objective should be to build tolerance, trust and
>>>>>> >> >> understanding. There is a saying "Argue with no true
>>>>>> >> >> believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the messages
>>>>>> >> >> in this thread.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>>>> >> >> John
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion
>>>>>> >> >>> comparing different beliefs and asking others about why
>>>>>> >> >>> they believed what they did.
>>>>>> >> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an
>>>>>> >> >>> argument that someone must win about whose beliefs are
>>>>>> >> >>> correct.
>>>>>> >> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer
>>>>>> >> >>> thing instead of trying to convert.  Whether you believe in
>>>>>> >> >>> the Trinity or that the three are one is a silly point to
>>>>>> >> >>> argue over as long as we all know that one must accept
>>>>>> >> >>> Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and ask
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>>> >> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>>>>>> >> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a
>>>>>> >> >>> mid-tribulation, pre-tribulation or post-tribulation
>>>>>> >> >>> subscriber.
>>>>>> >> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as
>>>>>> >> >>> Lord and Savior of your life, the rest of these debates is
>>>>>> >> >>> just the devil trying to separate us.  And a house divided
>>>>>> >> >>> against itself cannot stand.
>>>>>> >> >>> Barbara
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill,
>>>>>> >> >>> that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any
>>>>>> >> >>> hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to
>>>>>> >> >>> assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John F.
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