[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

Mon Jun 6 16:40:22 UTC 2011

Joshua,
  That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
others.  Is that not the video that came through?

On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone else
> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a laugh.
> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been the
> same sense.
>
> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed up.
>
> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says He
> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as much
> as He does.
>
> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>
> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or later
> today.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>
> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
> I wasn't saved.
> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
>> answer for in god's time.
>>
>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was being
>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did not
>> normally speak in that language.
>>
>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think" as
>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of what
> I
>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us at
>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because I
>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>
>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when we
> try
>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and moving
>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I present
>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change a
>> person's position or belief.
>>
>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right? Sometimes
> it
>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
> spirit
>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must
> have
>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>
>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>
>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions and
>> opinions.
>>
>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
>> testimony.
>>
>> Later yall.
>>
>> Peace and blessings
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>
>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>> people spoke in tongues.
>> That was how they knew.
>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
>> argue
>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is evidence
> to
>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that a
>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
> desire
>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
>> with
>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>
>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a Pentecostal
>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed over
>> her,
>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>> unbeliever.
>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her and
>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>
>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
>> over
>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>
>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
>> desire
>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed to
>> use
>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she did
>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>
>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used absolutely
>> bad
>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not
> used
>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>> practice
>>> would scare her.
>>>
>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early 2005.
>> I
>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
> stage.
>> I
>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
> drunk
>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind.
> But,
>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>> believe
>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa
> and
>>> in
>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>> convinced
>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>> mindful
>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
>>> debate
>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over another.
>> The
>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
> become
>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer a
>>> fool
>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>
>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make one
>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>
>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we will
>> win
>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>> division.
>>>>
>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>> Absolutely
>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>
>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement for
>>> my
>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>
>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled
> out
>>> in
>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
> derived
>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
>> Does
>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this is
>>> the
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>
>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
>> Holy
>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled with
>>> the
>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence
> for?
>>> If
>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>
>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that there
>> is
>>> a
>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>> language.
>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not filled
>>> with
>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may not
>>> have
>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>> wrong?
>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>
>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says it
>>>> does.
>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your
> own
>>>>> fault.
>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see things
>>>>> here.
>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that
> was
>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the whole
>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion on
>>>> this
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall cease.
>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater gifts,
>>> or
>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
>>> given
>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying to
>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think, that
>>>> you're
>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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