[Faith-talk] Casting Crowns

[Joshua Lester]

Franchesca Battisteli?
She's awesome!
Newsong, not so much.
Their "Christmas Shoes," makes me cry.
I don't want to be sad, at Christmas time.
Red, is too hard core for me.
Sidewalk Prophets, is an underrated band.
Rachael Lampa needs to come to Arkansas.
Have you heard of her?
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
> I've never heard of them but I might Youtube them later and see what I can
> find.
>
> I do like David Crowder as well. Just saw him a few months ago at Winter
> fest here in Oklahoma City. It was a sold out show. We had Newsong (we
> actually opened up for them at a Curb fest in Madill, OK where I lived until
> about a year ago). Also at the Winter fest was Newsboys, sidewalk Prophets,
> Franchesca Something, can't remember her last name, Cutlass was also there
> and a band named Red and a few others.
>
> It was a sold out show. Over 60,000 people.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:14 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casting Crowns
>
> Yes.
> Have you heard of the band?
> I haven't heard much from them, lately.
> They were pretty good.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>> Matthew 7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye
> your
>> pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn
> again
>> and rend you.
>>
>> Poor Stephen cast his pearls before swine and they bit and devoured him.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:05 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casting Crowns
>>
>> Amen!
>> I've also heard of a band called Casting Pearls.
>> I don't know where they got that from, though.
>> They're lead by a former Bass player for the Newsboys, (my favorite CCM
>> group.)
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Isn't the name Casting Crowns great? I was thinking sometime back about
>> the
>>> name and I thought how much better would life be if we cast crowns
> instead
>>> of casting stones?
>>>
>>> Isn't that an awesome thought?
>>>
>>> Hallelujah, God is great, all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:56 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> I'm glad, we're on CCM, now.
>>> For some real Southern Gospel music, visit, www.thestampsquartet.com.
>>> They were Elvis's backup group, for a long time.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> Woops, forgot to include this link.
>>>>
>>>> http://castingcrowns.com/content/touring
>>>>
>>>> You can see their tour dates there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:20 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> You got the right video, this time.
>>>> Casting Crowns needs to come back to Arkansas.
>>>> i'm also a David Crowder Band fan.
>>>> Too bad, they never come to Arkansas.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'll give it a try...I don't want something like this happening again!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Okay.
>>>>>> I accept your appology.
>>>>>> Youtube has been giving me fits, lately, as well.
>>>>>> I like the new accessible interface, tube.majestyc.net, better than
>>>>>> the regular Youtube.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I was trying to post a casting crowns video in the thread called
>>>>>>> "something to think about."  I honestly don't know how T I got in
>>>>>>> there but I am sorry.  It was a simple mistake.  Thanks for letting
> me
>>>>>>> know-I honestly did not mean for that to happen!  I sincerely
>>>>>>> appologize for anyone who saw that video, it's not what I wanted to
>>>>>>> put up.  Please understand it wasn't intentional at all.  Thanks,
>>>>>>> Joshua, for bringing this to my attention...I'll put up the video I
>>>>>>> was trying to put up soon, and I'll double-check it's the right one.
>>>>>>>   Thank you,
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The thread was called, "Something to Remember."
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>>>   I never posted a video by T I.  Ever.  I honestly don't know
> where
>>>>>>>>> you're getting that from-I agree with you, that is absolutely
> aweful
>>>>>>>>> for this kind of list.  If it's not too much trouble, would you
> mind
>>>>>>>>> sending me a copy of the email with the video off-list?  If I got
>>>>>>>>> hacked, or made a mistake copying and pasting the link I was trying
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> send, I want to know!
>>>>>>>>>   God bless,
>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
>>>>>>>>>> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
>>>>>>>>>> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
>>>>>>>>>> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
>>>>>>>>>> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
>>>>>>>>>> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
>>>>>>>>>> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their
> job,
>>>>>>>>>> but I was offended by that video.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>>>>>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link
>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>>>>>>>>>>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud
>>>>>>>>>>> Wharnsby
>>>>>>>>>>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up
> to
>>>>>>>>>>> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and
>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha.
> What
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> laugh.
>>>>>>>>>>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not
>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> messed
>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and
> He
>>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me
>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>> as He does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up
>> tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told
> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't saved.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something
>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what
>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the
>>> speaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely
>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be
>> understood
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems
> arise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or
> nothing
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though,
> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>>>>>>> spirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but
>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep
>> LOL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to
>> argue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testimony.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later yall.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2,
> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of
>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely
>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I
>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of
>>> compassion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one
> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone
>>>> prayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in
>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It
>>> scared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift
>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less
>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter
>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2005.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I
>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> stage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I
> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in
> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the
> discussion.
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agrippa
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has
>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mindful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We
>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly
>> lest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does
> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united
> front,
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in
> dissention
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or
>>>> not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I
>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atonement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spelled
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word.
> It
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> derived
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar
>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1879.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't
>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the
> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an
>>>> unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is
>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that
> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit.
> Could
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms
>> Mentink,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I
>>> video,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it,
>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I
>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but
>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come
> in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues
>> shall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the
>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please
> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you
>>>> think,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again,
>> please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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