[Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important

Mon Nov 7 04:46:08 UTC 2011

Hi, before I was married much of the time I lived with my parents and they didn't go to church but I did. They were pretty suportive of that. For the most part. I was very assertive where church was concerned not as much in other parts of my life however but for church I wouldn't let anyone take that from me. If the church attended isnn't automatically accepting coming up with ideas of service can also help. People don't know what blind people are capable of  and we must stand up and be counted.

Sheila Leigland

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:59 PM
To: Faith-talk,	for the discussion of faith and religion <faith-talk at nfbnetorg>
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important

well, Andrew. You definitely need to learn braille if you cannot read print; 
and if you're completely blind, you cannot.
You can learn that via hadley school for the blind distance ed classes; and 
I think Canada residents can take them; ask them to be sure.
Next, I don't think you should go to a church which doesn't welcome you. 
Tell your parents you don't want to go. Then if they won't drive you to a 
different, more accepting church, then find one yourself via the internet; 
some churches have either live streaming of their services or recorded 
sermons. Listen to them and if you like them, ask for a ride and go in 
person.

You shouldn't feel you need to attend a church just because your parents do, 
especially if you're an adult.
There are many ways to feel religious; read the bible; join a virtual 
Christian community read a devotional. you don't need to attend a church; 
listen to sermons online or on the radio or tv.

Find what feels right to you and stick with  it. But you first need to feel 
assertive.
Don't go to the church if it doesn't meet your needs. And you probably could 
benefit from a training center; surely there are centers for the blind in 
Cananda. With more mobility skills and living near a bus line, you can be 
independent.

I depend on parents actually as well since I live with them. But they 
respect my decision whether to attend church or whatever the event is.

ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Andrew Edgcumbe
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:01 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important

Well changing church is not an option i go that particular church
because my parents go there I don't have the independence of a blind
person should have because i live in a very rural area and things
closest town is about an 20 minutes from me.

On 11/6/11, Ryan Kwaak <kwaakproductions at gmail.com> wrote:
> If that's how it's gonna be, then leave the church. If I were in that
> position, I'd tale my pastor aside and see if he's authorizing this
> kind of nonsense. If he's going to stand by and let this happen, hit
> him with 1 Corinthians 12:22-25. Rather than quote it, I'll just say
> that in this passage Paul makes the case that even the members of the
> body which we think are less worthy of honor are necessary. Hope this
> helps.
>
> On 11/6/11, Andrew Edgcumbe <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Ashley I know what you are saying I can't read braille hymn nals
>> the school for the blind in canada that is where I am from said that I
>> don't need my grade 2 braille and most things are in grade 2 braille
>> and things.
>>
>> I live in a fairly rural area so I depend on my parents so I have no
>> choice  but to go to the church i am going to now.
>> I  just feel that best thing I can do is just not do anything.
>>
>> On 11/6/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> well, either educate them  and make accomodations. Like for instance,
>>> many
>>> church hymnals come in braille, if you read braille; you could probably
>>> get
>>> news like your sunday bulletin in email. Or find a new church. What a
>>> terrible attitude that
>>> the pastor has. Also if you give specifics, maybe we'll have 
>>> suggestions.
>>> Unfortunately, some people assume we cannot participate or enjoy
>>> something
>>> due to the visuals, but we can with a description or another
>>> accomodation.
>>> They just don't know that though. Like many people say, oh how can you
>>> enjoy
>>> a movie or play? They don't know those can be audio described and some
>>> films/plays are already descriptive enough via dialogue to follow them.
>>>
>>> Also, I suggest if you felt this way a while to get some help. Perhaps
>>> some
>>> counseling would help you feel better. Talk therapy, or psychotherapy,
>>> helps
>>> many people feel better.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:20 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am just feeling some what discourraged to night and things.
>>>
>>> I been feeling like i am not really important to anybody at all.
>>>
>>> I am just struggling reguarding my church  One of my pastors  told me
>>> that everything is visual and he just said there is nothing for me i
>>> can even do because of the visual stuff in church and things.
>>>
>>> I just feel like i get treated so differently because of my blindness
>>> and things I am sick of being blind I am sick of being  held back by
>>> others I been feeling like I been told to just sit back and do
>>> nothing.
>>> I just feel like i don't really belong anywhere because of the way
>>> the blind get treated.
>>>
>>> My church really does not give me the chance to use my gifts and
>>> tallents and things.
>>>
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