[Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Mon Nov 28 23:23:06 UTC 2011
Those songs are classics!
Whatever happened to Twila Paris?
She was one of my favorite singers.
I also love to hear Sandy Patty, and Larnelle Harris.
Ryan:
I'd like for you to get "I've Just Seen Jesus," by Sandy Patty, and
play it tomorrow night.
Thanks, Joshua
On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I love those songs you mentioned. I just listened to "here I am to
> worship," and "Open my Eyes Lord," and Shine, Jesus Shine" today.
>
> I assume the CC is Christian contemporary.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:06 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
> There are 2 ladies in Casting Crowns.
> They only sing, on select songs, but one also plays a mondolin.
> I like CCM, as long as I can understand the words, and as long as they
> have verses and a chorus.
> "As the Deer," (You alone are my heart's desire,) is one of my favorite
> songs.
> "Here I am to Worship," and "Heart of Worship," are others I lovel.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Karen,
>> No. Did they make this Christmas CD for last year?
>> I ask because wow CDs often come out via year.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karin
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:44 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>> I like most of those Wow C.D.'s and have quite a few of them. Have you
>> heard the Wow christmas C.D.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>>
>> praise and worship songs are contemporary Christian songs. I like them
>> too.
>> They come out out on the Wow cds.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karin
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:18 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>> Some Christian rock is great. It's like all music there is some good
>> some
>> bad. I have favorite songs and I like certain types of christian music
>> most
>> preferrably praise and worship songs. Ashley, do y ou sing in your
>> church
>> music.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>>
>> ddon't agree. The contemporary Christian music is in all keys; some
>> high,
>> others medium or low.
>> Their guys, ladies, or a mix. For instance Casting Crowns is men and
>> they
>> sing in a low key.
>> Also Mercy Me is another group and I did not hear high notes there. I
>> don't
>> really have a favorite group, but I do have favorite songs.
>> I cannot always match the high pitch of the ladies, but I'm not the
>> best
>> singer anyway. Singing is definitely for everyone.
>> That is why there are usually different keys to sing in and in a choir
>> there
>> are different parts; some do soprano, others alto or baritone.
>> But what I cannot stand is so called Christian rock; that to me has to
>> go
>> and I do not find that at all sounding Christian; and the instruments
>> are
>> so
>> loud that you cannot hear the lyrics.
>> Christian rock has come about to appeal to young adults like my age.
>> But
>> it
>> certainly does not appeal to me!
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ryan Kwaak
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:42 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>> Hey Debbie if I might capitalize on that last comment about singing
>> being for everyone. Yes gospel singing should indeed be for everyone,
>> but most contemporary worship or 7-11 songs are intended for high
>> sopranos. I've found that if I were singing southern gospel I can find
>> a harmony that fits my range even though I may be in the middle
>> between baritone and bass. But at the church I won't be attending when
>> I move out, they sing contemporary music which is way harder for me to
>> fit in with. Joshua is right; 7-11 songs have got to go.
>>
>> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Hi Paul,
>> >
>> > I went to the second link wich is gbn .
>> > How do you get to the music? I clicked on archive and there is a
>> link
>> for
>> > signing their guest book and bible studies. I didn't see the music,
>> > unless
>> > its oon one of the videos in the archive.
>> >
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Paul
>> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:51 AM
>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
>> >
>> > If you want to hear Church of Christ congregational singing, you can
>> hear
>> > them on http://www.christiantuner.com under their "a capella"
>> channel.
>> > Additionally, if you want to view congregational singing from them
>> go
>> to
>> > http://www.gbntv.org. Paul
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Debbie Brown" <63characters at comcast.net>
>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:34 AM
>> > Subject: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
>> >
>> >
>> > Shape note singing is still done in the nonistrumental Churches of
>> Christ.
>> > Many of the older people know nothing else. You can get computer
>> programs
>> > that generate shape notes, but I forget the name of the one that
>> some
>> of
>> > our
>> > song leaders used.
>> >
>> > the good thing about that kind of music is that singing is for
>> everyone.
>> > It
>> > is a command in the Bible to sing, and it is not meant for just a
>> > professional choir, but for everyone. I find people mumbling along
>> with
>> > an
>> > organ not very inspiring.
>> >
>> > Debbie Brown
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:06 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
>> > thePoston Claude Ely from Joshua
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I found out that shaped note singing came from the north and
>> migrated
>> down
>> > south and was more popular in southern churches. So when we think of
>> > shaped
>> > note, we think of southern gospel and southern groups doing it; when
>>
>> I
>> > researched many groups came up in the south such as the Wiregrass
>> Sacred
>> > Harp singers in Alabama.
>> >
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joshua Lester
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:20 PM
>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
>> > thePost
>> > on Claude Ely from Joshua
>> >
>> > Most Sacred Harp singing is done in Shaped Note style.
>> > Southern Gospel was the only Shaped note style, but shaped notes
>> have
>> > disappeared, lately.
>> > This style came into Southern Gospel, through the Church of God,
>> > (Cleveland, TN,) (a Pentecostal group.)
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >
>> > On 11/27/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Because of the strong influence on the Christian life of the South
>> by
>> the
>> >> Baptists, most probably it was that denomination, but not
>> necessarily
>> >> Southern Baptists as there are quite a few faith communities that
>> use
>> the
>> >> name Baptist. At least that's what I heard. Paul
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:04 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition
>> to
>> >> thePost
>> >> on Claude Ely from Joshua
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So Joshua, are you saying that some Quaker groups sang Sacred Harp
>> music?
>> >> Also, is all Sacred Harp music in the shape note form? I thought I
>> heard
>> >> Sacred harp that was not Sacred Harp sometime.
>> >> Maybe shaped notes can be part of Sacred Harp, but does not have to
>> be.
>> >> What types of music has shaped note singing? I am not sure its
>> around
>> in
>> >> modern churches, except maybe some traditional southern churches.
>> When
>> I
>> >> studied music history, my dad did not know what shaped note music
>> meant
>> >> and
>> >> he is from the south. We are white though; and perhaps it’s a black
>> >> church
>> >> thing.
>> >> Since one part is singing the scale of Doe, ray, me etc, its
>> obvious
>> >> when
>> >> one hears shaped note singing. The other people sing the words.
>> >>
>> >> Its my understanding that Sacred Harp singing is 1. With no
>> instruments;
>> >> not
>> >> sure how to spell the word for that. 2. It uses the Sacred Harp
>> Hymnal.
>> >> 3.
>> >> The leader of the group is in the center. and 4. The singing sounds
>> >> country-like with a nazal-like voice.
>> >> It was common in southern churches, but I don't know what
>> denomination.
>> >>
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Joshua Lester
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:26 PM
>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >> Joshua
>> >>
>> >> The Quakers vary from group to group.
>> >> Our group was affiliated with the Central Yearly Meeting of
>> Friends,
>> >> out of West Field, Indiana.
>> >> We used the same hymnal as the Church of the Nazarine.
>> >> We, in the United Pentecostal Church International use a hymnal
>> >> called, "Sing Unto the Lord," which is not, the Sacred Harp.
>> >> In the Appelachian Mountain area, they sang Sacred Harp, and Shaped
>> >> Note style music.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>> Joshua,
>> >>> Am I correct that quakers song sacred harp music?
>> >>> Are you also saying that your church uses the Sacred Harp hymnal?
>> >>> I thought Pentecostals used their own hymnal. Perhaps, though its
>> just
>> >>> your
>> >>> preference to like
>> >>> older songs originating in other religious sects.
>> >>> Ashley
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Joshua Lester
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:08 PM
>> >>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >>> Joshua
>> >>>
>> >>> We don't do Sacred Harp conventions, or "All Day Singing Schools,"
>> >>> anymore.
>> >>> Some of your Oneness Pentecostals, (like myself,) still sing the
>> older
>> >>> songs, and use the hymnal.
>> >>> We have a diferent hymnal, than the other groups.
>> >>> Our hymns aren't the songs of the 17, and 1800's.
>> >>> Our hymns are Southern Gospel, from Dad Speer, Albert E Brumley,
>> etc.
>> >>> This, and the Black Gospel choir music is what I'd prefer, for
>> Sunday
>> >>> Morning worship service.
>> >>> The "711" songs have got to go!
>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>> Paul,
>> >>>> Thanks for telling us that the Loc issued religious albums to
>> the
>> >>>> public.
>> >>>> How many songs on this album?
>> >>>> I might see if I can get some. Unfortunately, the general public
>> isn't
>> >>>> too
>> >>>> interested in old fashioned gospel, particularly with no
>> instruments
>> >>>> backing
>> >>>> the singers, so you can't find these old styles of music at
>> Christian
>> >>>> music
>> >>>> stores. Ever noticed that Christian music sold at stores is often
>>
>> a
>> >>>> group
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> singers with instruments; mostly c contemporary music. Its good
>> music
>> >>>> IMO;
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> like the Wow worship cds, but I like old fashioned music too.
>> >>>> This might explain why they did not convert Lps and cassettes to
>> modern
>> >>>> day
>> >>>> Cds.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I certainly heard of Sacred Harp singing; It is pretty.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It would be neat to hear a hymn done by lining.
>> >>>> I've heard of that and think I first heard of that old technique
>> in
>> >>>> music
>> >>>> class. It’s a technique, that to my knowledge, is not practiced
>> in
>> main
>> >>>> line
>> >>>> churches, and non denominational churches usually read lyrics
>> from
>> a
>> >>>> screen
>> >>>> rather than a hymnal.
>> >>>> Now I'm real curious about this record! I think lining would be a
>> great
>> >>>> way
>> >>>> to include everyone, not just those who can read and follow a
>> hymnal.
>> >>>> Its not just blind people that cannot read it, its others with
>> learning
>> >>>> disabilities or those who cannot hold a book open and read fast
>> enough
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> sing for various reasons. Lining was a practice for a long time.
>> It
>> was
>> >>>> used
>> >>>> because not everyone could read a hymnal or if the church did not
>> have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> hymnal.
>> >>>> I've seen Sacred Harp singing on Youtube.
>> >>>> I wonder if southerners still sing and have sacred harp
>> conventions?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'll make note of the other albums.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Take care.
>> >>>> Ashley
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Paul
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:50 PM
>> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >>>> Joshua
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, I can't rightly tell you about everything on the LP, but
>> here's
>> a
>> >>>> sample. There is an example of lining in which the song leader
>> recites
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> first line of a hymn, in this case "Hosanna, Jesus Reigns," and
>> then
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> congregation sings it. Then the song leader recites the second
>> line
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> then the congregation sings that also, and so on until the song
>> is
>> >>>> finished.
>> >>>> This recording was originally made by Elder LaSeer (not sure of
>> >>>> spelling)
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> a Primitive Baptist Church somewhere in western North Carolina in
>> 1961.
>> >>>> There is also another Primitive Baptist song entitled "The Lord
>> Will
>> >>>> Provide," recorded by Elder Bradley in Lone Pine KY in 1971.
>> Judging
>> >>>> by
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> acoustics it sounds like it might have been recorded in a tent or
>> an
>> >>>> outdoor
>> >>>> venue. Then there is a song sung by 12 bearded Old Order Amish
>> people
>> >>>> from
>> >>>> Colona, Iowa near Cedar Rapids, originally recorded in 1943 by
>> Alton
>> S.
>> >>>> Bach
>> >>>> and Addison Bach. That's just a sample.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As to other religious albums (when the LOC issued them to the
>> general
>> >>>> public), there is one entitled "Children of the Heavenly King:
>> >>>> Religious
>> >>>> Expressions of the Central Blue Ridge," originally issued in 1981
>> and
>> >>>> featuring Primitive Baptist and other rural expressions of one's
>> >>>> Christianity in areas of southwestern Virginia and northwestern
>> North
>> >>>> Carolina, encompassing the Virginia counties of Carrol, Grayson
>> and
>> >>>> Floyd
>> >>>> and, in North Carolina, Ash and Wilts. There is also an album of
>> >>>> Alabama
>> >>>> Sacred Harp Singing, which has nothing to do with the stringed
>> >>>> instrument
>> >>>> but is a unique style of a capella singing. This was one of the
>> early
>> >>>> collections of the late Alan Lomax, originally recorded in
>> Birmingham
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> August 1942 during the 37th Alabama Sacred Harp Singing
>> Convention.
>> >>>> Ditto
>> >>>> for the song by Brother Claude Ely, although they used guitars
>> and
>> at
>> >>>> least
>> >>>> one mandolin. For those of you who might be members of a chat
>> >>>> community
>> >>>> called Out of Sight, have a working microphone and soundcard,
>> would
>> be
>> >>>> delighted to go into one of the audio chatrooms over there during
>> the
>> >>>> day
>> >>>> when nothing is going on. Just let me know in a reasonable
>> amount
>> of
>> >>>> time,
>> >>>> and would be more than glad to let you hear this admittedly
>> unique
>> and
>> >>>> little-known form of singing. Your Christian brother, Paul
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:19 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >>>> Joshua
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Paul,
>> >>>>> I haven't heard of this album or singer.
>> >>>>> I didn't know the Library of congress issued religious music! I
>> know
>> >>>>> they
>> >>>>> did folk tunes and some by the shakers and African American
>> >>>>> spirituals,
>> >>>>> but I didn't know about the religious music. Of course some folk
>> tunes
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> spirituals are somewhat religious.
>> >>>>> What else is on "Religious songs, congregational and ceremonial"
>> >>>>> album?
>> >>>>> Is
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> it just
>> >>>>> Claude's congregation? Based on the title of the song, I assume
>> its
>> >>>>> music
>> >>>>> is by a harp, and other songs probably instrumental; after all
>> back
>> >>>>> then
>> >>>>> they did not have the fancy base drums, electric guitars, and
>> sound
>> >>>>> mixing
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> we do for todays Christian bands.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Older songs are only on old fashioned technology, i.e. cassette
>> or
>> >>>>> records.
>> >>>>> Do you know if the library of congress still has this album?
>> Maybe
>> we
>> >>>>> can
>> >>>>> buy a copy from them?
>> >>>>> I'll also check the internet for any songs by this individual.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ashley
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Paul
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:58 PM
>> >>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >>>>> Joshua
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Well, Joshua, the only way I can get it to you, along with the
>> other
>> >>>>> selections from that album, is by snail mail and via cassette as
>>
>> I
>> >>>>> don't
>> >>>>> have any way of burning a CD from the album itself. If you
>> would
>> give
>> >>>>> me
>> >>>>> your address off list, will make you a copy and send it to you,
>> albeit
>> >>>>> via
>> >>>>> snail mail, and I'm sure we know how slow that can be. But, as
>> I've
>> >>>>> always
>> >>>>> heard it said, better that way than not at all. Paul
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:36 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
>> from
>> >>>>> Joshua
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks for the information!
>> >>>>>> I'm interested in this recording.
>> >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> If anyone here has a copy of the album "Religious Songs,
>> >>>>>>> Congregational
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> Ceremonial," issued by the Library of Congress as part of
>> their
>> >>>>>>> bicentennial
>> >>>>>>> celebration in 1976, Claude Ely's congregation is featured on
>> the
>> >>>>>>> song
>> >>>>>>> "Little David, Play On Your Harp." The undersigned has that
>> album.
>> >>>>>>> Paul
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