[Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing

karin karinjhar at att.net
Tue Nov 29 18:52:36 UTC 2011


I like casting crowns songs especially I will praise you in the storn and Until the whole world hears.  They have so many good songs and they sing well together.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joshua Lester 
  To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion 
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing


  There are 2 ladies in Casting Crowns.
  They only sing, on select songs, but one also plays a mondolin.
  I like CCM, as long as I can understand the words, and as long as they
  have verses and a chorus.
  "As the Deer," (You alone are my heart's desire,) is one of my favorite songs.
  "Here I am to Worship," and "Heart of Worship," are others I lovel.
  Blessings, Joshua

  On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
  > Karen,
  > No. Did they make this Christmas CD for last year?
  > I ask because wow CDs often come out via year.
  > Ashley
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: karin
  > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:44 PM
  > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
  >
  > I like most of those Wow C.D.'s and have quite a few of them.  Have you
  > heard the Wow christmas C.D.
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Ashley Bramlett
  >   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:29 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
  >
  >
  >   praise and worship songs are contemporary Christian songs. I like them
  > too.
  >   They come out out on the Wow cds.
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: karin
  >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:18 PM
  >   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
  >
  >   Some Christian rock is great.  It's like all music there is some good some
  >   bad.  I have favorite songs and I like certain types of christian music
  > most
  >   preferrably praise and worship songs.  Ashley, do y ou sing in your church
  >   music.
  >     ----- Original Message -----
  >     From: Ashley Bramlett
  >     To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:43 PM
  >     Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
  >
  >
  >     ddon't agree. The contemporary Christian music is in all keys; some
  > high,
  >     others medium or low.
  >     Their guys, ladies, or a mix. For instance Casting Crowns is men and
  > they
  >     sing in a low key.
  >     Also Mercy Me is another group and I did not hear high notes there. I
  >   don't
  >     really have a favorite group, but I do have favorite songs.
  >     I cannot always match the high pitch of the ladies, but I'm not the best
  >     singer anyway. Singing is definitely for everyone.
  >     That is why there are usually different keys to sing in and in a choir
  >   there
  >     are different parts; some do soprano, others alto or baritone.
  >     But what I cannot stand is so called Christian rock; that to me has to
  > go
  >     and I do not find that at all sounding Christian; and the instruments
  > are
  >   so
  >     loud that you cannot hear the lyrics.
  >     Christian rock has come about to appeal to young adults like my age. But
  >   it
  >     certainly does not appeal to me!
  >
  >     Ashley
  >
  >     -----Original Message-----
  >     From: Ryan Kwaak
  >     Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:42 PM
  >     To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
  >
  >     Hey Debbie if I might capitalize on that last comment about singing
  >     being for everyone. Yes gospel singing should indeed be for everyone,
  >     but most contemporary worship or 7-11 songs are intended for high
  >     sopranos. I've found that if I were singing southern gospel I can find
  >     a harmony that fits my range even though I may be in the middle
  >     between baritone and bass. But at the church I won't be attending when
  >     I move out, they sing contemporary music which is way harder for me to
  >     fit in with. Joshua is right; 7-11 songs have got to go.
  >
  >     On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
  >     > Hi Paul,
  >     >
  >     > I went to the second link wich is gbn .
  >     > How do you get to the music? I clicked on archive and there is a link
  >   for
  >     > signing  their guest book and bible studies. I didn't see the music,
  >     > unless
  >     > its oon one of the videos in the archive.
  >     >
  >     > Ashley
  >     >
  >     > -----Original Message-----
  >     > From: Paul
  >     > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:51 AM
  >     > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
  >     >
  >     > If you want to hear Church of Christ congregational singing, you can
  >   hear
  >     > them on http://www.christiantuner.com under their "a capella" channel.
  >     > Additionally, if you want to view congregational singing from them go
  > to
  >     > http://www.gbntv.org.  Paul
  >     > ----- Original Message -----
  >     > From: "Debbie Brown" <63characters at comcast.net>
  >     > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
  >     > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >     > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:34 AM
  >     > Subject: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
  >     >
  >     >
  >     > Shape note singing is still done in the nonistrumental Churches of
  >   Christ.
  >     > Many of the older people know nothing else.  You can get computer
  >   programs
  >     > that generate shape notes, but I forget the name of the one that some
  > of
  >     > our
  >     > song leaders used.
  >     >
  >     > the good thing about that kind of music is that singing is for
  > everyone.
  >     > It
  >     > is a command in the Bible to sing, and it is not meant for just a
  >     > professional choir, but for everyone.  I find people mumbling along
  > with
  >     > an
  >     > organ not very inspiring.
  >     >
  >     > Debbie Brown
  >     >
  >     > ----- Original Message -----
  >     > From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
  >     > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
  >     > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >     > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:06 PM
  >     > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
  >     > thePoston Claude Ely from Joshua
  >     >
  >     >
  >     > Hi,
  >     > I found out that shaped note singing came from the north and migrated
  >   down
  >     > south and was more popular in southern churches. So when we think of
  >     > shaped
  >     > note, we think of southern gospel and southern groups doing it; when I
  >     > researched many groups came up in the south such as the Wiregrass
  > Sacred
  >     > Harp singers in Alabama.
  >     >
  >     > Ashley
  >     >
  >     >
  >     > -----Original Message-----
  >     > From: Joshua Lester
  >     > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:20 PM
  >     > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
  >     > thePost
  >     > on Claude Ely from Joshua
  >     >
  >     > Most Sacred Harp singing is done in Shaped Note style.
  >     > Southern Gospel was the only Shaped note style, but shaped notes have
  >     > disappeared, lately.
  >     > This style came into Southern Gospel, through the Church of God,
  >     > (Cleveland, TN,) (a Pentecostal group.)
  >     > Blessings, Joshua
  >     >
  >     > On 11/27/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >     >> Because of the strong influence on the Christian life of the South by
  >   the
  >     >> Baptists, most probably it was that denomination, but not necessarily
  >     >> Southern Baptists as there are quite a few faith communities that use
  >   the
  >     >> name Baptist.  At least that's what I heard.  Paul
  >     >> ----- Original Message -----
  >     >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
  >     >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
  >     >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >     >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:04 PM
  >     >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
  >     >> thePost
  >     >> on Claude Ely from Joshua
  >     >>
  >     >>
  >     >> So Joshua, are you saying that some Quaker groups sang Sacred Harp
  >   music?
  >     >> Also, is all Sacred Harp music in the shape note form? I thought I
  >   heard
  >     >> Sacred harp that was not Sacred Harp sometime.
  >     >> Maybe shaped notes can be part of Sacred Harp, but does not have to
  > be.
  >     >> What types of music has shaped note singing? I am not sure its around
  >   in
  >     >> modern churches, except maybe some traditional southern churches.
  > When
  >   I
  >     >> studied music history, my dad did not know what shaped note music
  > meant
  >     >> and
  >     >> he is from the south. We are white though; and perhaps it’s a black
  >     >> church
  >     >> thing.
  >     >> Since one part  is singing the scale of Doe, ray, me etc, its obvious
  >     >> when
  >     >> one hears shaped note singing. The other people sing the words.
  >     >>
  >     >> Its my understanding that Sacred Harp singing is 1. With no
  >   instruments;
  >     >> not
  >     >> sure how to spell the word for that. 2. It uses the Sacred Harp
  > Hymnal.
  >     >> 3.
  >     >> The leader of the group is in the center. and 4. The singing sounds
  >     >> country-like with a nazal-like voice.
  >     >> It was common in southern churches, but I don't know what
  > denomination.
  >     >>
  >     >> Ashley
  >     >>
  >     >> -----Original Message-----
  >     >> From: Joshua Lester
  >     >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:26 PM
  >     >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from
  >     >> Joshua
  >     >>
  >     >> The Quakers vary from group to group.
  >     >> Our group was affiliated with the Central Yearly Meeting of Friends,
  >     >> out of West Field, Indiana.
  >     >> We used the same hymnal as the Church of the Nazarine.
  >     >> We, in the United Pentecostal Church International use a hymnal
  >     >> called, "Sing Unto the Lord," which is not, the Sacred Harp.
  >     >> In the Appelachian Mountain area, they sang Sacred Harp, and Shaped
  >     >> Note style music.
  >     >> Blessings, Joshua
  >     >>
  >     >> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
  >     >>> Joshua,
  >     >>> Am I correct that quakers song sacred harp music?
  >     >>> Are you also saying that your church uses the Sacred Harp hymnal?
  >     >>> I thought Pentecostals used their own hymnal. Perhaps, though its
  > just
  >     >>> your
  >     >>> preference to  like
  >     >>> older songs originating in other religious sects.
  >     >>> Ashley
  >     >>>
  >     >>>
  >     >>> -----Original Message-----
  >     >>> From: Joshua Lester
  >     >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:08 PM
  >     >>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from
  >     >>> Joshua
  >     >>>
  >     >>> We don't do Sacred Harp conventions, or "All Day Singing Schools,"
  >     >>> anymore.
  >     >>> Some of your Oneness Pentecostals, (like myself,) still sing the
  > older
  >     >>> songs, and use the hymnal.
  >     >>> We have a diferent hymnal, than the other groups.
  >     >>> Our hymns aren't the songs of the 17, and 1800's.
  >     >>> Our hymns are Southern Gospel, from Dad Speer, Albert E Brumley,
  > etc.
  >     >>> This, and the Black Gospel choir music is what I'd prefer, for
  > Sunday
  >     >>> Morning worship service.
  >     >>> The "711" songs have got to go!
  >     >>> Blessings, Joshua
  >     >>>
  >     >>> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
  >     >>>> Paul,
  >     >>>> Thanks for telling us that the Loc issued religious  albums to the
  >     >>>> public.
  >     >>>> How many songs on this album?
  >     >>>> I might see if I can get some. Unfortunately, the general public
  >   isn't
  >     >>>> too
  >     >>>> interested in old fashioned gospel, particularly with no
  > instruments
  >     >>>> backing
  >     >>>> the singers, so you can't find these old styles of music at
  > Christian
  >     >>>> music
  >     >>>> stores. Ever noticed that Christian music sold at stores is often a
  >     >>>> group
  >     >>>> of
  >     >>>> singers with instruments; mostly c contemporary music. Its good
  > music
  >     >>>> IMO;
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> I
  >     >>>> like the Wow worship cds, but I like old fashioned music too.
  >     >>>> This might explain why they did not convert Lps and cassettes to
  >   modern
  >     >>>> day
  >     >>>> Cds.
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> I certainly heard of Sacred Harp singing; It is pretty.
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> It would be neat to hear a hymn done by lining.
  >     >>>> I've heard of that and think I first heard of that old technique in
  >     >>>> music
  >     >>>> class. It’s a technique, that to my knowledge, is not practiced in
  >   main
  >     >>>> line
  >     >>>> churches, and non denominational churches usually read lyrics from
  > a
  >     >>>> screen
  >     >>>> rather than a hymnal.
  >     >>>> Now I'm real curious about this record! I think lining would be a
  >   great
  >     >>>> way
  >     >>>> to include everyone, not just those who can read and follow a
  > hymnal.
  >     >>>> Its not just blind people that cannot read it, its others with
  >   learning
  >     >>>> disabilities or those who cannot hold a book open and read fast
  >   enough
  >     >>>> to
  >     >>>> sing for various reasons. Lining was a practice for a long time. It
  >   was
  >     >>>> used
  >     >>>> because not everyone could read a hymnal or if the church did not
  >   have
  >     >>>> a
  >     >>>> hymnal.
  >     >>>> I've seen Sacred Harp singing on Youtube.
  >     >>>> I wonder if southerners still sing and have sacred harp
  > conventions?
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> I'll make note of the other albums.
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> Take care.
  >     >>>> Ashley
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> -----Original Message-----
  >     >>>> From: Paul
  >     >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:50 PM
  >     >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
  > from
  >     >>>> Joshua
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> Well, I can't rightly tell you about everything on the LP, but
  > here's
  >   a
  >     >>>> sample.  There is an example of lining in which the song leader
  >   recites
  >     >>>> the
  >     >>>> first line of a hymn, in this case "Hosanna, Jesus Reigns," and
  > then
  >     >>>> the
  >     >>>> congregation sings it.  Then the song leader recites the second
  > line
  >     >>>> and
  >     >>>> then the congregation sings that also, and so on until the song is
  >     >>>> finished.
  >     >>>> This recording was originally made by Elder LaSeer (not sure of
  >     >>>> spelling)
  >     >>>> in
  >     >>>> a Primitive Baptist Church somewhere in western North Carolina in
  >   1961.
  >     >>>> There is also another Primitive Baptist song entitled "The Lord
  > Will
  >     >>>> Provide," recorded by Elder Bradley in Lone Pine KY in 1971.
  > Judging
  >     >>>> by
  >     >>>> the
  >     >>>> acoustics it sounds like it might have been recorded in a tent or
  > an
  >     >>>> outdoor
  >     >>>> venue.  Then there is a song sung by 12 bearded Old Order Amish
  >   people
  >     >>>> from
  >     >>>> Colona, Iowa near Cedar Rapids, originally recorded in 1943 by
  > Alton
  >   S.
  >     >>>> Bach
  >     >>>> and Addison Bach.  That's just a sample.
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>> As to other religious albums (when the LOC issued them to the
  > general
  >     >>>> public), there is one entitled "Children of the Heavenly King:
  >     >>>> Religious
  >     >>>> Expressions of the Central Blue Ridge," originally issued in 1981
  > and
  >     >>>> featuring Primitive Baptist and other rural expressions of one's
  >     >>>> Christianity in areas of southwestern Virginia and northwestern
  > North
  >     >>>> Carolina, encompassing the Virginia counties of Carrol, Grayson and
  >     >>>> Floyd
  >     >>>> and, in North Carolina, Ash and Wilts.  There is also an album of
  >     >>>> Alabama
  >     >>>> Sacred Harp Singing, which has nothing to do with the stringed
  >     >>>> instrument
  >     >>>> but is a unique style of a capella singing.  This was one of the
  >   early
  >     >>>> collections of the late Alan Lomax, originally recorded in
  > Birmingham
  >     >>>> in
  >     >>>> August 1942 during the 37th Alabama Sacred Harp Singing Convention.
  >     >>>> Ditto
  >     >>>> for the song by Brother Claude Ely, although they used guitars and
  > at
  >     >>>> least
  >     >>>> one mandolin.  For those of you who might be members of a chat
  >     >>>> community
  >     >>>> called Out of Sight, have a working microphone and soundcard, would
  >   be
  >     >>>> delighted to go into one of the audio chatrooms over there during
  > the
  >     >>>> day
  >     >>>> when nothing is going on.  Just let me know in a reasonable amount
  > of
  >     >>>> time,
  >     >>>> and would be more than glad to let you hear this admittedly unique
  >   and
  >     >>>> little-known form of singing.  Your Christian brother, Paul
  >     >>>> ----- Original Message -----
  >     >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
  >     >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
  >     >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >     >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:19 PM
  >     >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
  > from
  >     >>>> Joshua
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>>
  >     >>>>> Paul,
  >     >>>>> I haven't heard of this album or singer.
  >     >>>>> I didn't know the Library of congress issued religious music! I
  > know
  >     >>>>> they
  >     >>>>> did folk tunes and some by the shakers and African American
  >     >>>>> spirituals,
  >     >>>>> but I didn't know about the religious music. Of course some folk
  >   tunes
  >     >>>>> and
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> spirituals are somewhat religious.
  >     >>>>> What else is on "Religious songs, congregational and ceremonial"
  >     >>>>> album?
  >     >>>>> Is
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> it just
  >     >>>>> Claude's congregation? Based on the title of the song, I assume
  > its
  >     >>>>> music
  >     >>>>> is by a harp, and other songs probably instrumental; after all
  > back
  >     >>>>> then
  >     >>>>> they did not have the fancy base drums, electric guitars, and
  > sound
  >     >>>>> mixing
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> we do for todays Christian bands.
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> Older songs are only on old fashioned technology, i.e. cassette or
  >     >>>>> records.
  >     >>>>> Do you know if the library of congress still has this album? Maybe
  >   we
  >     >>>>> can
  >     >>>>> buy a copy from them?
  >     >>>>> I'll also check the internet for any songs by this individual.
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> Ashley
  >     >>>>> -----Original Message-----
  >     >>>>> From: Paul
  >     >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:58 PM
  >     >>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  >     >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
  > from
  >     >>>>> Joshua
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>> Well, Joshua, the only way I can get it to you, along with the
  > other
  >     >>>>> selections from that album, is by snail mail and via cassette as I
  >     >>>>> don't
  >     >>>>> have any way of burning a CD from the album itself.  If you would
  >   give
  >     >>>>> me
  >     >>>>> your address off list, will make you a copy and send it to you,
  >   albeit
  >     >>>>> via
  >     >>>>> snail mail, and I'm sure we know how slow that can be.  But, as
  > I've
  >     >>>>> always
  >     >>>>> heard it said, better that way than not at all.  Paul
  >     >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
  >     >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
  >     >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
  >     >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
  >     >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:36 PM
  >     >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
  > from
  >     >>>>> Joshua
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>>
  >     >>>>>> Thanks for the information!
  >     >>>>>> I'm interested in this recording.
  >     >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
  >     >>>>>>
  >     >>>>>> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >     >>>>>>> If anyone here has a copy of the album "Religious Songs,
  >     >>>>>>> Congregational
  >     >>>>>>> and
  >     >>>>>>> Ceremonial," issued by the Library of Congress as part of their
  >     >>>>>>> bicentennial
  >     >>>>>>> celebration in 1976, Claude Ely's congregation is featured on
  > the
  >     >>>>>>> song
  >     >>>>>>> "Little David, Play On Your Harp." The undersigned has that
  > album.
  >     >>>>>>> Paul
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