[Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
karin
karinjhar at att.net
Tue Nov 29 18:54:12 UTC 2011
CC is Christian comtemporary I also like My help comes from the Lord. Here I am to worship is also good.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
I love those songs you mentioned. I just listened to "here I am to
worship," and "Open my Eyes Lord," and Shine, Jesus Shine" today.
I assume the CC is Christian contemporary.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:06 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
There are 2 ladies in Casting Crowns.
They only sing, on select songs, but one also plays a mondolin.
I like CCM, as long as I can understand the words, and as long as they
have verses and a chorus.
"As the Deer," (You alone are my heart's desire,) is one of my favorite
songs.
"Here I am to Worship," and "Heart of Worship," are others I lovel.
Blessings, Joshua
On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Karen,
> No. Did they make this Christmas CD for last year?
> I ask because wow CDs often come out via year.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karin
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:44 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
> I like most of those Wow C.D.'s and have quite a few of them. Have you
> heard the Wow christmas C.D.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
>
> praise and worship songs are contemporary Christian songs. I like them
> too.
> They come out out on the Wow cds.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karin
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:18 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
> Some Christian rock is great. It's like all music there is some good
> some
> bad. I have favorite songs and I like certain types of christian music
> most
> preferrably praise and worship songs. Ashley, do y ou sing in your
> church
> music.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
>
> ddon't agree. The contemporary Christian music is in all keys; some
> high,
> others medium or low.
> Their guys, ladies, or a mix. For instance Casting Crowns is men and
> they
> sing in a low key.
> Also Mercy Me is another group and I did not hear high notes there. I
> don't
> really have a favorite group, but I do have favorite songs.
> I cannot always match the high pitch of the ladies, but I'm not the
> best
> singer anyway. Singing is definitely for everyone.
> That is why there are usually different keys to sing in and in a choir
> there
> are different parts; some do soprano, others alto or baritone.
> But what I cannot stand is so called Christian rock; that to me has to
> go
> and I do not find that at all sounding Christian; and the instruments
> are
> so
> loud that you cannot hear the lyrics.
> Christian rock has come about to appeal to young adults like my age.
> But
> it
> certainly does not appeal to me!
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Kwaak
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:42 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>
> Hey Debbie if I might capitalize on that last comment about singing
> being for everyone. Yes gospel singing should indeed be for everyone,
> but most contemporary worship or 7-11 songs are intended for high
> sopranos. I've found that if I were singing southern gospel I can find
> a harmony that fits my range even though I may be in the middle
> between baritone and bass. But at the church I won't be attending when
> I move out, they sing contemporary music which is way harder for me to
> fit in with. Joshua is right; 7-11 songs have got to go.
>
> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > I went to the second link wich is gbn .
> > How do you get to the music? I clicked on archive and there is a
> link
> for
> > signing their guest book and bible studies. I didn't see the music,
> > unless
> > its oon one of the videos in the archive.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:51 AM
> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
> >
> > If you want to hear Church of Christ congregational singing, you can
> hear
> > them on http://www.christiantuner.com under their "a capella"
> channel.
> > Additionally, if you want to view congregational singing from them
> go
> to
> > http://www.gbntv.org. Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Debbie Brown" <63characters at comcast.net>
> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:34 AM
> > Subject: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
> >
> >
> > Shape note singing is still done in the nonistrumental Churches of
> Christ.
> > Many of the older people know nothing else. You can get computer
> programs
> > that generate shape notes, but I forget the name of the one that
> some
> of
> > our
> > song leaders used.
> >
> > the good thing about that kind of music is that singing is for
> everyone.
> > It
> > is a command in the Bible to sing, and it is not meant for just a
> > professional choir, but for everyone. I find people mumbling along
> with
> > an
> > organ not very inspiring.
> >
> > Debbie Brown
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
> > thePoston Claude Ely from Joshua
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > I found out that shaped note singing came from the north and
> migrated
> down
> > south and was more popular in southern churches. So when we think of
> > shaped
> > note, we think of southern gospel and southern groups doing it; when
> I
> > researched many groups came up in the south such as the Wiregrass
> Sacred
> > Harp singers in Alabama.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:20 PM
> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition to
> > thePost
> > on Claude Ely from Joshua
> >
> > Most Sacred Harp singing is done in Shaped Note style.
> > Southern Gospel was the only Shaped note style, but shaped notes
> have
> > disappeared, lately.
> > This style came into Southern Gospel, through the Church of God,
> > (Cleveland, TN,) (a Pentecostal group.)
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 11/27/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Because of the strong influence on the Christian life of the South
> by
> the
> >> Baptists, most probably it was that denomination, but not
> necessarily
> >> Southern Baptists as there are quite a few faith communities that
> use
> the
> >> name Baptist. At least that's what I heard. Paul
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An Addition
> to
> >> thePost
> >> on Claude Ely from Joshua
> >>
> >>
> >> So Joshua, are you saying that some Quaker groups sang Sacred Harp
> music?
> >> Also, is all Sacred Harp music in the shape note form? I thought I
> heard
> >> Sacred harp that was not Sacred Harp sometime.
> >> Maybe shaped notes can be part of Sacred Harp, but does not have to
> be.
> >> What types of music has shaped note singing? I am not sure its
> around
> in
> >> modern churches, except maybe some traditional southern churches.
> When
> I
> >> studied music history, my dad did not know what shaped note music
> meant
> >> and
> >> he is from the south. We are white though; and perhaps it’s a black
> >> church
> >> thing.
> >> Since one part is singing the scale of Doe, ray, me etc, its
> obvious
> >> when
> >> one hears shaped note singing. The other people sing the words.
> >>
> >> Its my understanding that Sacred Harp singing is 1. With no
> instruments;
> >> not
> >> sure how to spell the word for that. 2. It uses the Sacred Harp
> Hymnal.
> >> 3.
> >> The leader of the group is in the center. and 4. The singing sounds
> >> country-like with a nazal-like voice.
> >> It was common in southern churches, but I don't know what
> denomination.
> >>
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joshua Lester
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:26 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >> Joshua
> >>
> >> The Quakers vary from group to group.
> >> Our group was affiliated with the Central Yearly Meeting of
> Friends,
> >> out of West Field, Indiana.
> >> We used the same hymnal as the Church of the Nazarine.
> >> We, in the United Pentecostal Church International use a hymnal
> >> called, "Sing Unto the Lord," which is not, the Sacred Harp.
> >> In the Appelachian Mountain area, they sang Sacred Harp, and Shaped
> >> Note style music.
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Joshua,
> >>> Am I correct that quakers song sacred harp music?
> >>> Are you also saying that your church uses the Sacred Harp hymnal?
> >>> I thought Pentecostals used their own hymnal. Perhaps, though its
> just
> >>> your
> >>> preference to like
> >>> older songs originating in other religious sects.
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Joshua Lester
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:08 PM
> >>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >>> Joshua
> >>>
> >>> We don't do Sacred Harp conventions, or "All Day Singing Schools,"
> >>> anymore.
> >>> Some of your Oneness Pentecostals, (like myself,) still sing the
> older
> >>> songs, and use the hymnal.
> >>> We have a diferent hymnal, than the other groups.
> >>> Our hymns aren't the songs of the 17, and 1800's.
> >>> Our hymns are Southern Gospel, from Dad Speer, Albert E Brumley,
> etc.
> >>> This, and the Black Gospel choir music is what I'd prefer, for
> Sunday
> >>> Morning worship service.
> >>> The "711" songs have got to go!
> >>> Blessings, Joshua
> >>>
> >>> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>> Paul,
> >>>> Thanks for telling us that the Loc issued religious albums to
> the
> >>>> public.
> >>>> How many songs on this album?
> >>>> I might see if I can get some. Unfortunately, the general public
> isn't
> >>>> too
> >>>> interested in old fashioned gospel, particularly with no
> instruments
> >>>> backing
> >>>> the singers, so you can't find these old styles of music at
> Christian
> >>>> music
> >>>> stores. Ever noticed that Christian music sold at stores is often
> a
> >>>> group
> >>>> of
> >>>> singers with instruments; mostly c contemporary music. Its good
> music
> >>>> IMO;
> >>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>> like the Wow worship cds, but I like old fashioned music too.
> >>>> This might explain why they did not convert Lps and cassettes to
> modern
> >>>> day
> >>>> Cds.
> >>>>
> >>>> I certainly heard of Sacred Harp singing; It is pretty.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be neat to hear a hymn done by lining.
> >>>> I've heard of that and think I first heard of that old technique
> in
> >>>> music
> >>>> class. It’s a technique, that to my knowledge, is not practiced
> in
> main
> >>>> line
> >>>> churches, and non denominational churches usually read lyrics
> from
> a
> >>>> screen
> >>>> rather than a hymnal.
> >>>> Now I'm real curious about this record! I think lining would be a
> great
> >>>> way
> >>>> to include everyone, not just those who can read and follow a
> hymnal.
> >>>> Its not just blind people that cannot read it, its others with
> learning
> >>>> disabilities or those who cannot hold a book open and read fast
> enough
> >>>> to
> >>>> sing for various reasons. Lining was a practice for a long time.
> It
> was
> >>>> used
> >>>> because not everyone could read a hymnal or if the church did not
> have
> >>>> a
> >>>> hymnal.
> >>>> I've seen Sacred Harp singing on Youtube.
> >>>> I wonder if southerners still sing and have sacred harp
> conventions?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll make note of the other albums.
> >>>>
> >>>> Take care.
> >>>> Ashley
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Paul
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:50 PM
> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >>>> Joshua
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I can't rightly tell you about everything on the LP, but
> here's
> a
> >>>> sample. There is an example of lining in which the song leader
> recites
> >>>> the
> >>>> first line of a hymn, in this case "Hosanna, Jesus Reigns," and
> then
> >>>> the
> >>>> congregation sings it. Then the song leader recites the second
> line
> >>>> and
> >>>> then the congregation sings that also, and so on until the song
> is
> >>>> finished.
> >>>> This recording was originally made by Elder LaSeer (not sure of
> >>>> spelling)
> >>>> in
> >>>> a Primitive Baptist Church somewhere in western North Carolina in
> 1961.
> >>>> There is also another Primitive Baptist song entitled "The Lord
> Will
> >>>> Provide," recorded by Elder Bradley in Lone Pine KY in 1971.
> Judging
> >>>> by
> >>>> the
> >>>> acoustics it sounds like it might have been recorded in a tent or
> an
> >>>> outdoor
> >>>> venue. Then there is a song sung by 12 bearded Old Order Amish
> people
> >>>> from
> >>>> Colona, Iowa near Cedar Rapids, originally recorded in 1943 by
> Alton
> S.
> >>>> Bach
> >>>> and Addison Bach. That's just a sample.
> >>>>
> >>>> As to other religious albums (when the LOC issued them to the
> general
> >>>> public), there is one entitled "Children of the Heavenly King:
> >>>> Religious
> >>>> Expressions of the Central Blue Ridge," originally issued in 1981
> and
> >>>> featuring Primitive Baptist and other rural expressions of one's
> >>>> Christianity in areas of southwestern Virginia and northwestern
> North
> >>>> Carolina, encompassing the Virginia counties of Carrol, Grayson
> and
> >>>> Floyd
> >>>> and, in North Carolina, Ash and Wilts. There is also an album of
> >>>> Alabama
> >>>> Sacred Harp Singing, which has nothing to do with the stringed
> >>>> instrument
> >>>> but is a unique style of a capella singing. This was one of the
> early
> >>>> collections of the late Alan Lomax, originally recorded in
> Birmingham
> >>>> in
> >>>> August 1942 during the 37th Alabama Sacred Harp Singing
> Convention.
> >>>> Ditto
> >>>> for the song by Brother Claude Ely, although they used guitars
> and
> at
> >>>> least
> >>>> one mandolin. For those of you who might be members of a chat
> >>>> community
> >>>> called Out of Sight, have a working microphone and soundcard,
> would
> be
> >>>> delighted to go into one of the audio chatrooms over there during
> the
> >>>> day
> >>>> when nothing is going on. Just let me know in a reasonable
> amount
> of
> >>>> time,
> >>>> and would be more than glad to let you hear this admittedly
> unique
> and
> >>>> little-known form of singing. Your Christian brother, Paul
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:19 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >>>> Joshua
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Paul,
> >>>>> I haven't heard of this album or singer.
> >>>>> I didn't know the Library of congress issued religious music! I
> know
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> did folk tunes and some by the shakers and African American
> >>>>> spirituals,
> >>>>> but I didn't know about the religious music. Of course some folk
> tunes
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> spirituals are somewhat religious.
> >>>>> What else is on "Religious songs, congregational and ceremonial"
> >>>>> album?
> >>>>> Is
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it just
> >>>>> Claude's congregation? Based on the title of the song, I assume
> its
> >>>>> music
> >>>>> is by a harp, and other songs probably instrumental; after all
> back
> >>>>> then
> >>>>> they did not have the fancy base drums, electric guitars, and
> sound
> >>>>> mixing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> we do for todays Christian bands.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Older songs are only on old fashioned technology, i.e. cassette
> or
> >>>>> records.
> >>>>> Do you know if the library of congress still has this album?
> Maybe
> we
> >>>>> can
> >>>>> buy a copy from them?
> >>>>> I'll also check the internet for any songs by this individual.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ashley
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Paul
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:58 PM
> >>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >>>>> Joshua
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, Joshua, the only way I can get it to you, along with the
> other
> >>>>> selections from that album, is by snail mail and via cassette as
> I
> >>>>> don't
> >>>>> have any way of burning a CD from the album itself. If you
> would
> give
> >>>>> me
> >>>>> your address off list, will make you a copy and send it to you,
> albeit
> >>>>> via
> >>>>> snail mail, and I'm sure we know how slow that can be. But, as
> I've
> >>>>> always
> >>>>> heard it said, better that way than not at all. Paul
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:36 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely
> from
> >>>>> Joshua
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the information!
> >>>>>> I'm interested in this recording.
> >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> If anyone here has a copy of the album "Religious Songs,
> >>>>>>> Congregational
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> Ceremonial," issued by the Library of Congress as part of
> their
> >>>>>>> bicentennial
> >>>>>>> celebration in 1976, Claude Ely's congregation is featured on
> the
> >>>>>>> song
> >>>>>>> "Little David, Play On Your Harp." The undersigned has that
> album.
> >>>>>>> Paul
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