[Faith-talk] ABout healing
Rex Leslie Howard, Jr.
rex at littlelaw.com
Tue Sep 13 19:07:01 UTC 2011
Amen Linda and Greg.
Exodus 4:11 (KJV) And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or
who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the
LORD?
2 Corinthians 12:9-10 (KJV) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for
thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore
will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest
upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in
necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am
weak, then am I strong.
When God created us, He said it was very good so we should think that way as
well. If god made us, and he did, then why would He not be glorified in our
sufferings, persecutions, tribulations, trials, etc?
God is gglorified in our attitudes regarding our station in life.
If I moaned and groaned about my blindness then I do not believe God would
be glorified. In fact, we are cautioned against such attitudes. We see, time
and time again, the consequences to murmuring and complaining.
God is glorified when we are weak and give Him the praises.
I'll tell you a little story.
I was going to a Pentecostal church and a missionary came in from the Dakota
territories. He bragged about how he had healed his grandfather of
blindness. I went up to pray for wisdom and knowledge as I often do and he
came over, spit on his fingers and rubbed them on my eyes. Then he held up
his fingers and asked me to tell him how many he was holding up.
To say I was angry would be to make a severe understatement. I was probably
more angry than I had ever been.
I went outside and sat down with my back against the wall so I could be
alone. I was afraid that I would say something horribly mean to this idiot.
God does heal, sometimes in ways we can't foresee or even understand but
that freak-show didn't heal anyone. If there was ever a healing in his
ministry it was because of the workings of God.
People get caught up in rituals sometimes without understanding the
significance of the ritual. Sometimes it is not even a ritual but a
substantive act.
I believe I know why Jesus used the mixture of dirt and spittle in John 9
but I don't have time to go into it right now. I really need to be working
but I just had to respond to this thread.
In short, I believe that it has to do with the difference between forming
something and creating something. I'll be glad to go into this more if there
is an interest but it will take some scripture references and some intense
teaching to do that and I would not be able to set aside the time until next
week.
Now back to the topic of ritual.
Foot washing:
Aw, that gets me every time. While I'm not here to belittle foot washing I
will say this: if we really want to practice servanthood, let's do something
that means something outside of a ritualistic ceremony. Help someone carry
in some groceries, spend time talking to someone on the phone, witness to
someone who needs Jesus, offer your time and your heart, etc, etc, etc.
Remember this: God thinks we're awesome so He will be glorified in our life
when we put Him first.
-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] ABout healing
Amen, Gregg. And, please remember that God is sovereign, and so is His
grace.
We need to believe the whole Bible, not just select parts that prove one or
two particular points we want to emphasize. Signs and wonders, yes; but not
for all of us in the way we wish or think might be.
Blessings,
Linda
At 05:15 PM 9/11/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Joshua,
>Let me start by affirming my belief that God can and does heal people
>in miraculous ways. With that said, I take serious issue with your
>statement that God is not glorified through blindness. Such a
>statement limits God's power and belittles blind people.
>
>One of the most powerful messages I find in the Bible is that God works
>despite, and through human weakness. Sometimes he heals, makes strong,
>and overcomes human weakness. But other times, he uses those things
>people think are weak or foolish, and his power is revealed to be all
>the more strong. Reread 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 Corinthians 12 for a
>start. Many argue that the thorn in Paul's flesh in 2 Corinthians 12
>was some kind of physical disability. Paul makes it clear that
>whatever the thorn was did bring God glory though.
>
>For years I prayed for physical healing of my eyes. I still believe
>God can do that if he wants to. But I had an experience that changed
>my understanding of God working through my physical weakness. 3 years
>ago I travelled to a country in Central Asia to work with children with
>disabilities for a month. The country is quite hostile toward
>Americans and christianity. However, my blindness was a key that
>opened many doors to connect with people I might not have otherwise
>met. Because I was blind, people got over their hatred for Americans
>and approached me to find out why a blind man had travelled so far to
>their country. This led to several redemptive conversations. The
>children with disabilities had never been exposed to a successful adult
>with a disability, and so my mere presence and existence gave them hope
>for their own lives. I was overwhelmed because my greatest tool
>overseas was my blindness. God had equipped me perfectly to reach out
>to people whom others c
> an not reach.
>
>Don't stop praying for healing, just make sure you are reading all of
>your Bible. God heals people in miraculous ways and is glorified. He
>also equips people to live despite disability or "weakness" which also
>gives him glory. I suspect that most of us on this list fall into that
>second category. Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea that God can
>use our blindness to bring about his kingdom.
>
>God bless,
>Greg
>On Sep 10, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
> > Jesus said, that greater things, shall we do, in his name.
> > When the church walks into the power, and anointing, God has for us,
> > we will see an increase, in signs, wonders, and miracles.
> > This anointing isn't just for preachers, (Oral Roberts, Katherine
> > Kullman, Franklin Walden, Lee Stoneking, etc,) but it's for anyone,
> > that believes.
> > Read Mark 16:15/18 again.
> > Do you believe?
> > Then, these signs shall follow you.
> > You've got to have the Holy Ghost in you, and it must come upon you,
> > (Acts, 1:8,) for that to happen.
> > This Gospel must be preached, with signs following, as the apostles did.
> > "If we want, what the apostles had, we must do what the apostles did,"
> > (Pastor Steve Gray.)
> > BTW, I don't believe, that my blindness is because of a lack of faith.
> > Jesus told the blind man, that his was so that God could be glorified.
> > He's not glorified in blindness, but rather our healing.
> > Notice, Jesus healed him.
> > If I never receive my sight, I'm okay with that, but I'm believing
> > that I will, as a sign to those Jewish men, I refered to, in the
> > other thread.
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 9/10/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Joshua, just out of curiosity, does it say this in the Bible?
> >> And what importance does Katherine Kulman have, to say this?
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joshua Lester
> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:30 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] ABout healing
> >>
> >> There is coming a time, before the coming of the Lord, when
> >> everyone, will be healed, in a church service.
> >> I'm refering to physical healing.
> >> This was prophesied, by none other than Katherine Kulman.
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >> On 9/9/11, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> HI listers: As I understand it (relating to the incident of the
> boy in the
> >>> wheelchair being able to walk) God heals us though maybe not in
> >>> ways we understand. I say this because I've always wanted to be a
> >>> medical doctor, but because of blindness wasn't able to accomplish
> >>> the career studying instead Psychology. Yes I managed to finish
> >>> and graduate, but still felt an emptiness of not being able to
> >>> study medicine.
> >>>
> >>> The years went by, and a bad experience of the director not
> >>> wanting me in a postgrad course of psychology brought me to study
> >>> Reiki,
> therapy having to
> >>> do with energy and hands on. Thus I understand that though I
> >>> wasn't able to study medicine, God has given me (and is still
> >>> giving me) ways to compensate for this, thus healing the sense of
> >>> loss of not being able to study a given career. Am I on the right
> >>> track?
> >>>
> >>> Gerardo
> >>>
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