[Faith-talk] The blind and church

Mon Apr 9 04:15:53 UTC 2012

I just follow people up there and usually before i get there or on the 
way back to my seat someone asks ifthey can help me. As for the cane, i 
just hold it.  and take communion with my other hand. Original message:
> Hey Tina,
> Exactly. Overall, consider if you're accepted and based on the first post
> she was not.
> But for taking communion, you could have it brought to you as you said or
> compromise based on the problem.
> One could go to the communion table and be on the end of the table where the
> dog would have more room.

> How do you cane users do it? Where does the cane go? I usually used a
> sighted  guide for this activity.
> Do you find your seat alright after you're done?

> I suppose however you travel and partake in this ritual is fine if it works
> well for you and the congregation doesn't mind it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tina birenbaum
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:47 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The blind and church

> Well, I'm new to this list and a former guide dog user. You definitely
> should be at a church where you are accepted. I didn't have issues
> taking my dogs up to communion for the most part, and when there was an
> issue, they were more than happy to bring communion to me so maybe that
> is something she can think about but the bigger part is are you
> accepted in your church in the first place. we should try and be
> Christ-like which means a little more accepting of someone who is or
> does things differently.
> Original message:
>> well, I think she should just look for a church that accepts her. As for
>> the
>> communion thing. I really don't agree with her.
>> She should walk up to the communion table with  a cane or sighted guide.
>> Frankly,  I would not, not want a dog next to me while I took communion!
>> Why? They can smell and take up room.
>> It sounds inconvenient to take a dog up to the table; come on, its narrow,
>> people need to kneel. I would not want a dog's nose in my face or a tail
>> in
>> my way as I kneeled for this sacred time! okay, consider other rights of
>> people too. They have a right to go and not be bothered by dogs. However,
>> and some people are allergic to dogs.
>> she should be permitted to take the dog into the sanctuary. No, people I
>> do
>> not say this is discrimination without the facts.
>> Maybe there is a reason for them barring the dog. I have seen guide dogs
>> that are not well behaved, that  smell  or sit in public grooming
>> themselves; kind of gross.
>> In general I think dogs should be allowed into the sacred sanctuary,
>> provided that they are groomed and quiet.
>> In general, I also think she should sit whereever she wants, not be
>> confined
>> to the
>> back.
>> But again, we do not know the facts of this situation.
>> Also, folks, get your facts straight; churches do not have to follow the
>> ADA. Also, if your building was built prior to the law's inception in
>> 1990,
>> remember the exemption.
>> Many churches were built prior to that time as they are old. If your
>> building was built prior to ADA, you do not have to comply  unless you
>> renovate the building. Its called a grandfather clause.
>> Heck the church I grew up in is probably not ADA compliant.

>> Good luck in resolving this.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeanette
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:22 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The blind and church

>> well she has waited till the week before  Easter to find a church which
>> seems a bit much but to have any church tell her this is appauling to me.
>> however churches are not required to follow the ADA laws in regard to
>> this,
>> t si in the law.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:43 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] The blind and church


>>> It seems as if I've ran into this problem over and over agan. Blind
>>> people
>>> being denied by the church I've been preaching since 2005, and I've never
>>> once have been denied, and they've assisted me with out my asking for it.
>>> In other words, I do not ask for money. In fact, the last church I
>>> preached, they didn't pay me. One church offered to come to my home and
>>> pick me up. They didn't have to do it for me, but the whole point is God
>>> will provide a way. RJ
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