[Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material

Tue May 1 15:34:40 UTC 2012

if you read the Bible the purpose of tithing is not to pay for materials or 
anything like that at your church, it is not a payment plan for materials 
and such, tithing has to do with supporting your church in it's mission to 
reach the lost and needy, jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material

No, I don't think the church should have to provide the braille materials 
for free.

However, I tithe every month to my church, and that should cover accessible 
material.  Some of us do not have a note taker either.

I'm not aware of any hymnal that has PDF formatting in any church, but I'm 
probably wrong in some cases.

I just feel that if the hymnal and study materials are provided free of 
church to everyone else, and the church is interested in our participation, 
and I pay tithes each month, which puts me in a difficult situation from the 
get go each month, I deserve a little help.  That's, in my opinion, not 
charity.

Jenny
On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Jeanette wrote:

> i think it is great that your church provides your materials to you, if a 
> church can i think they  should, they provide the materials for sighted 
> folks, i just find it amazing that blind folks think all the hymnals and 
> such need to be put in braille and that is outragiously expensive and if 
> you want them in braille get someone to put it in pdf or something  so you 
> can write it down, i never have, i just listen and memorize on my own. i 
> have a friend who thinks because she is blind she deserves everything 
> provided to her because she is poor, i'm poor too, my software and scanner 
> is something i've had for a long time because i homeschooled my kids for 7 
> years and my ex husband bought it for me back then, i am single now so 
> money is truly tight.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material
>
>
> I see your point.  But some of us don't have the money for OSR software or 
> scanners.
>
> As far as buying study materials, I'm not asking that they put it in 
> Braille, but PDF, or audio format isn't that much to ask, I'd willing pay 
> for that.
>
> Fortunately in my church, all of our study materials are given to us free 
> of charge.
>
> That's what our tithing and donations pay for.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>
>> i kind of look at it this way, sighted folks have to buy their materials, 
>> i do not think that because i am blind i need to be some kind of charity 
>> case and get some poor person to put it in an accessable format for me, i 
>> have Kurzweil so i can read just about anything that comes out, i do all 
>> the Beth Moore Bible studies using my Kurzweil scanner, also i feel like 
>> we all need to understand how expensive t is to produce braille or how 
>> expensive it is to buy the equipment to produce braille, if all things 
>> could be provided in a computer format then that would be nice but i do 
>> not think we as blind folks should expect it to be free for us, then we 
>> are acting like blind beggars instead of equal folks in the world, just 
>> my opinion. i am a single mom so i am not saying this because i have tons 
>> of money, i just want to be treated like everyone else and theya re 
>> expected to pay for the books and journals and such so i should too.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Brown" 
>> <63characters at comcast.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material
>>
>>
>> When most of us were growing up, most church materials were inaccessible,
>> and there wasn't much we could do about it.  These days, because most
>> printed material is produced on a computer, this situation seems to me to 
>> be
>> less acceptable.  I receive my church bulletin in accessible PDF, which 
>> is
>> actually better than the Word document (some techie may know why).
>>
>> It is disturbing to me how much material for seminars and classes is
>> inaccessible.  While some ministries are working on a shoestring budget,
>> others are charging churches a lot of money for their materials, and in 
>> that
>> case I find inaccessibility unacceptable.  Some of these people seem more
>> worried about protecting their copyright than spreading the gospel, and I
>> have to wonder whether they are serving God or Mammon.
>>
>> I have been able to get Lifeways Ministries to provide some of Beth 
>> Moore's
>> Bible courses, but it is more of a hassle than it should be, and I have 
>> to
>> go through this application every time.
>>
>> I receive a journal in audio format called "Does God Exist," about the 
>> Bible
>> and science.  The editor of the journal, John Clayton, reads it himself, 
>> and
>> a blind guy duplicates it on CD for him.  He really is working on a
>> shoestring budget, but he has a blind son, so he gets accessibility.
>>
>> Some teachers are very good at getting their class materials to me in 
>> time
>> for class.  One of the best at my church is a retired college professor, 
>> so
>> he knows how to make outlines and study guides.  Some of the worst are
>> actually professional preachers, because they have trouble using their
>> computers.  Older ones seem to have more trouble than younger ones.
>>
>> I make it a point to ask, and I am trying to make it a policy not to buy
>> study materials for seminars that are not accessible.  We had one 
>> recently
>> at which nothing was accessible, and this person is supposed to be a 
>> college
>> professor at an online university.  I hope no blind guy wants to take his
>> classes, or he may find himself at the wrong end of a lawsuit.
>>
>> I think we are not being unreasonable to ask for accessible materials, 
>> but
>> we ought to show some loving consideration for the particular individuals 
>> we
>> may be dealing with at church.
>>
>> Debbie Brown
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material
>>
>>
>> I am a member of the LDS church.
>>
>> the hymnals a two volume bound braille volumes and the Sunday School
>> material and Relief Society, which is our women's group materials are
>> available on the website via just reading it on the site and being aboe 
>> to
>> click on the scripture references, or audio that you can download or just
>> listen to in mp3 format.
>>
>> the bulletins and such are not accessable.  But I'm sure if I asked them 
>> to
>> email me the contents they would.  I just never thought to do so.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I said I’d post something to generate discussion rather than the traffic 
>>> about forwards or debate on what to post. IMO, if you have a question 
>>> about posting a topic, ask the moderator off list.
>>> This sounds better to me than debating what topic is on topic for the 
>>> list.
>>> We go through that ocasionally on other lists I’m on too; its annoying 
>>> since the debate about the list just generates endless traffic with no 
>>> answer.
>>> My topic here.
>>> For those of you going to church regularly, how is the accessibility of 
>>> the material? I’ll speak to my methodist church growing up.
>>> They had a large braille hymnal of like 7 volumes for me. Other than 
>>> that, the print wasn’t accessible. The schedule, bulletin, inserts of 
>>> songs within the bulletin, etc was not accessible.  So I just listened 
>>> to some songs and the other stuff read in the bulletin. For instance, we 
>>> have to respond as a congregation to readings; I think its called the 
>>> call to worship or something.
>>> I stood and listened to that. Everyone else reads from their sheet.
>>> I got a lot out of church since everyone hears the announcements, 
>>> sermon, etc, but do not feel I was able to fully participate.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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