[Faith-talk] being healed from blindness

Thu Dec 19 06:34:53 UTC 2013

I echo those of you who have been unsuccessful in finding a young
adult bible study.  This is quite difficult-blind or not.

I grew up(spending teenaged and college undergrad years) in a church
like the one you describe.  We had theater seating and a large
congregation.  It was sometimes difficult to make connections, but I
felt like this was more due to my age than my blindness.  I was
younger than most the people in the choir.  But eventually, I was able
to make friends and connections.  I actually rather enjoy studying
with those who are older than I am, but since young adults(especially
those of us who are single), face different problems than older
adults, I have always wanted to be a part of this type of study as
well.

On 12/19/13, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it is ever good to agree with everything the preacher says at
> any Church, they would then become God to people and saddly that is what
> happens sometimes. Our Church could be considered concervative when it comes
> to the family unit, but when it comes to outreach, we have rock concerts,
> rap concerts, groups like Casting Crowns, Mercey me or Gospel hip-hop
> rappers like Lecrae and Trip lee. Our pastor is very close friends with the
> Billy Gram family and he is also the board member president of Liberty
> university out in Verginia. He has a good handle on what is going on in the
> world and is all about people getting saved and then living out an abundent
> Christian life and both sharing and receiving the love of Christ.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>
>
>> Is this because you go to a conservative non denominational church?
>> We have a huge church which is conservative. They do the stuff you
>> described. They have a transportation ministry, but I don't know the
>> extent it runs.
>> Lots of classes for all sorts of people, have a counseling ministry,
>> support groups, groups for men and women,
>> and also a lot of outreach ministries.
>> However, due to their stand on marriage, gay lifestyle, and wishing to
>> evangilize people
>> from the Great commission command, it has put some people off including
>> criticism from liberal newspapers.
>> It’s the same church Dad and I went to for a few years.
>> I am a moderate believer politically and spiritually; so I don't agree
>> with all the preacher says.
>> I did like the music and most of the preaching; it was like hearing a mini
>>
>> concert.
>>
>> My biggest issue with this conservative evangelical church was that they
>> showed movies which I did not know what it was about sometimes, and they
>> had a screen with the  notes for the service. The screen had everything
>> from event announcements at the beginning, to sermon notes, to words to
>> songs.
>> Obviously, I could not access this. I tried to find a point of contact to
>> get it in alternate format through the access ministry, the minstry for
>> people with disabilities, but was not successful.
>> Perhaps if I go back, I'll try again and be more persistant.
>>
>> So I have mixed feelings about churches.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Poppa Bear
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:58 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>
>> Moreene, our Churches sound very simular in many ways. The thing is,
>> though
>> our church has programs like yours, and has the only church with a bus
>> ministry that goes around the intire city to pick up and drop off
>> children,
>> our church comes under atack for being too much of a light in our town, we
>> have an extremely libral news paper that hates our Church, but at the same
>> time, our church bends over backwards to do so much for our intire state.
>> We
>> have so many programs for those in need, classes every week for adiction
>> problems, PTSD, vetrin programs, widow asistance and on and on, but we
>> take
>> Biblical posissions very seriously when it comes to marriage, preaching
>> the
>> word and living out the great comission and it has rubbed plenty of people
>> the wrong way, that is until they spend some time at the Church and feel
>> the
>> love and community that is there.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maureen Pranghofer" <maureensmusic at comcast.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>
>>
>>> Your church sounds lots like ours.  It's a large church, about 5000
>>> members and they say right off the bat "If you want to get connected,
>>> become involved, people won't come to you."  Consequently I have written
>>> music for the church, was on worship team for years, have contributed and
>>>
>>> been in Bible studies, am the scheduler for a ministry doing home repair
>>> to widows and abused women and disabled folks, am a hospital and nursing
>>> home visitor and in a prayer group.  My husband is taking his 7th trip to
>>>
>>> Haiti where the church built a home for disabled children.  Even though
>>> he is in a wheelchair and born with no arms they let him do this.  So we
>>> enjoy giving. The church had done lots of ome mantainance things for us,
>>> put up our Christmas tree, has youth come once a month to help with
>>> whatever we have need of doing, provided me a reader, and as been
>>> involved in our lives in so many ways but it's because the church is not
>>> the organization, leadership or building it's the people.  We do
>>> exposatory preaching working our way through Bible books week after week
>>> just a few verses at a time.  Took the congregation 5 years to study
>>> Matthew.  Maybe there is a relationship between ow the church is in the
>>> Word and the way people are treated, don't know just wondering.  I
>>> apologize for this being so long.
>>> Maureen
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Poppa Bear
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:13 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>
>>> This is all diffirent for me and sounds a little odd because in my case I
>>>
>>> am
>>> usually the care taker for those around me, I invite those who have less
>>> over for dinner, xmas, and Thanksgiving. We end up being a small refuge
>>> for
>>> quite a few families and have a couple give and take open door
>>> relationships
>>> with members of my Church. I have a gentlemen  who is faithful as a
>>> grandfather clock to call me every friday to see if I want to go to the
>>> mens
>>> breakfast and pick me up bright and early every time. Another lady picks
>>> up
>>> my girls every morning to take them to the Christian school. The thing is
>>> that our Pastor really drives home the point of living out active
>>> Christian
>>> lives that consist of faithful Christian service that leads to great
>>> oppertunities to love and bless others and as people start to listen to
>>> his
>>> preaching from the word they find that the truth that "it is better to
>>> give
>>> then to receive" is a faithful and tru promis. Never the less I am sure
>>> that
>>> there are plenty of broken and lonely hearts in my Church just dying for
>>> a
>>> closer relationship with somebody in the body.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>> Unforchantely, that is all to comon place. RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've an answer to this problem about the church pitying us because of
>>>>> our blindness, and I read this statement many years ago in a book about
>>>>>
>>>>> blind welfare from the RNIB.  The main reason, as I and the author of
>>>>> the book see it, is that there is yet no practical substitution to the
>>>>> human eye. For some deaf and hard of hearing people there is the
>>>>> cochlear implant and for people who have lost limbs or arms there are
>>>>> artificial ones which, although naturally not like the originals in
>>>>> their totality, nevertheless work to some extent.  Unfortunately even
>>>>> in my church, even though they don't pity me, no one will invite me
>>>>> over to their place for a meal and some good conversation.  This
>>>>> happened after our Thanksgiving Day service, and I pray it won't happen
>>>>>
>>>>> after Christmas Day services either.  Hope that was an adequate
>>>>> explanation.  Paul
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear list, First, as someone wi!th a doctorate in theology, I must say
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not seen anywhere in scripture Christ refur to blindness as
>>>>>> something to be looked upon as evil, and yet, the church tens to pity
>>>>>> us. I've not seen this in my own church thank the Lord, but I know
>>>>>> some of you have. God allowed to be blind, and I don't need some
>>>>>> faulse teacher to tell me to claim my healing, just so they can bum
>>>>>> money off me
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-- 
Julie McG
National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16