[Faith-talk] once saved always saved????

Thu May 9 04:56:56 UTC 2013

Linda,
  What of those billions upon billions who never heard the name
"jesus" in their lives?  Does God condemn them for those circumstances
which, if you believe, you would have to concede he is responsible
for?  That hardly seems infinitely just, much less infinitely
merciful, to me.
  And what of people like me who, seeing numerous contradictions and
inconsistancies in the Bible, not to mention the double standard of
morality which seems to make itself known after even a cursory reading
of the Old Testament, decide we can't honestly and in good faith
believe such a book?  Are we condemned to the fire forever, with no
chance of an end to our punishment (even after billions and billions
of years), while professing Christians, some of them more sinful than
us, are sanctified and justified for salvation?  I suppose, by your
definition, there is absolutely no hope for me unless I sincerely
devote myself to a faith which, and I'm only speaking for myself here
and meaning as little offense as possible, seems irrational and not
the most effective path to me being an ethical and moral person.
  I guess I can take at least a modicum of solace because, if you're
right, I'll at least have some good company in my eternal damnation.
If I'm going to be burning in agony forever, at least I'll be able to
share my torture with the likes of Gandhi, the Buddha, Albert
Einstein, Socrates, Thomas Jefferson (before you say he was a
Christian, read the Jefferson Bible and I imagine it will change your
mind), Confucious and many more of humanity's best and brightest, both
morally and intelectually.  That's at least some comfort, isn't it?
  In closing, I'd just like to reiterate my desire for civil and
reasonable dialogue.  I'll confess this last message was passionate
because, I won't lie, this conversation strikes a nerve near and dear
to my heart.  If you object to the tone I took in this e-mail, I'd
politely ask you to read this whole conversation before accusing me of
such; I'd submit that, though I have tried to make my case with
passion and furvor, I have not been any more intense than Timothy or
Linda in stating my opinion.  I stand by what I said, but I don't mean
any insult or offense.
  Warmest regards,
Kirt

On 5/8/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
> that's true but,  as a child someone might believe that and they may have
> professed faith in jesus christ but as an adult things are often different.
> you do things you shouldn't do. what about people like that? will god save
> them? when we sin in our prayers we should say lord i know i've sinned
> please forgive me of the sins i've committed today and will commit in the
> future. it's not something you have to do but wouldn't you rather know that
> you've forgiven asked for forgiveness every night and that your slate is
> clean.
> god bless
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> On May 8, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Linda Mentink wrote:
>
>> Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice, and I know them. No one will be able
>> to snatch them out of My hand. The Bible doesn't say that if we sin, we
>> will not be saved. The Bible doesn't say that if we backslide, we will not
>> be saved. We will all be judged, and all God's children will spend
>> eternity with Him in heaven. Those who are not God's children, who are
>> counting on their good works and their outstanding lives, and who think
>> there is more than one path to heaven, will spend eternity in hell, where
>> they will burn forever! Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
>> Anything added to what Christ has done cheapens His death and
>> resurrection.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:38 PM 5/8/2013, you wrote:
>>> i'll agree with you as to the fact that if you're actually a  christian
>>> that you regularly wouldn't do those things but in this time and in these
>>> last days where we find ourselves people profess faith and turn around
>>> and do those things so, do you think people like that will still be
>>> saved.
>>> i for one don't think they will be. thoughts anyone?
>>> god bless
>>> Timothy
>>> Your friend in the music industry
>>> bandcamp
>>> http://www.timothyclark13.bandcamp.com
>>> twitter
>>> @timothyclark13
>>> Skype
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>>> facebooks
>>> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclark13
>>> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclarkmusic
>>> reverbnation
>>> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
>>> youtube
>>> http://www.youtube.com/timothyclarkoffical
>>> phone
>>> 7244011224
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Linda Mentink wrote:
>>>
>>> > Genuine Christians will not do those things. God may hide His face from
>>> > us for awhile, but He will never take away anything He has given us as
>>> > blessings unless He has something better.
>>> >
>>> > At 10:29 PM 5/8/2013, you wrote:
>>> >> the question laid out before us tonight is this. once saved, are you
>>> >> always saved.
>>> >> if you accept god into your life and you serve the lord faithfully
>>> >> then i would have to say that you would be rewarded in life eternal.
>>> >> but, if you are saved as a child and you murder or rape someone or do
>>> >> something sinister will you still be saved?
>>> >> i personally don't think so.
>>> >> god can gain favor with you but god can also take his blessings away.
>>> >> i think if you dishonor god and you don't repent you'll be judged
>>> >> accordingly.
>>> >> i'm just wandering, what are your thoughts on this subject?
>>> >> i for one think you can lose the favor and the blessings of god.
>>> >> god bless
>>> >> Timothy
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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