[Faith-talk] Misquoting Jesus. The story behind who changed theBible and why by Professor Bart Ehrman. An overview.

[Poppa Bear]

Hello Mustafa, I have not found you responding to any of my posts over the 
last few weeks, and that seems to be an important component to having 
productive diologs from my experience. If you research the so called 
validity of these "extra gospels" you will find obvious discrepancies that 
disqualify them from any claim to authenticity. You would simply need to 
apply the same amount of energy that you do to this question as you do to 
disproving the validity of the Bible. I have said it before and I will say 
it again, the only way that Islam can stand is by attempting to disprove the 
Bible. The Bible doesn’t need to disprove anything, it is a declaration of 
truth and stands alone as the word of God. One simple verse like John 3-16 
has freed millions from the bondage and guilt of sin, giving life where 
there was death, hope where there was none. The bible is Spirit and life 
regardless if a thousand other men come out of a cave proclaiming a new 
revelation from God and write a thousand more books  between now and the day 
of the Lord, the Bible will stand as that tower of light to the hopeless, 
downtrodden and oppressed, the broken, sick and be the word that judjes both 
the living and the dead through the God man Jesus Christ, Rev 4: 13-18“13 
and among the lampstands was someone

“like a son of man,”  dressed in a robe reaching down to

his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 His

head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow,

and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like

bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the

sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held

seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-

edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its

brilliance.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead.

Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not

be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living

One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and

ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.”

Rev 19: 11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me

was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and

True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes

are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.

He has a name written on him that no one knows but he

himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and

his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven

were following him, riding on white horses and dressed

in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes

a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations.

“He will rule them with an iron scepter.” a He treads the

winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried

in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come,

gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that

you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty

men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people,

free and slave, small and great.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and

their armies gathered together to make war against the

rider on the horse and his army.”

Between now and this day, what else needs to be clarified by another profit 
or another Holy Book?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:44 AM
Subject: [Faith-talk] Misquoting Jesus. The story behind who changed 
theBible and why by Professor Bart Ehrman. An overview.


> Misquoting Jesus, the story behind who changed the Bible and why.
>
> This is a highly academic textbook level, on Christian Theology, authored 
> by Professor Bart Ehrman.
>
> The book is quite interesting.
>
> It is filled with dozens of academic information.
>
> It talks in details, about how the Bible got into circulation.
>
> The book thoroughly explains how scribes have omitted and altered the 
> text, throughout the centuries.
>
> It turns out, that there are many Gospels were written by anonymous 
> authors in ancient Christianity.
>
> Some of them were compiled into the New Testament, as for Mark, Matthew, 
> Luke and Jhon.
>
> But, what about the Gospels of Thomas,  Peter, the Gospel of Mary, and the 
> Gospel of Judas.
>
> Why these were somehow excluded from the text of the New Testament?
>
> Surely, the Bible didn't descend from heaven, at its present form.
>
> Noone claims that, in spite of what fundamentalist evangelicals are 
> diluting.
>
> King James version of the Bible is indeed my favorit English Bible.
>
> It reaches a highly level of eloquence. It is a masterpiece of English 
> literature.
>
> I like it.
>
> But, on the theological level, the book was subjected to critical 
> criticism in terms of its accuracy.
>
> Please, you may keep in your mind; that I am a Theology major.
>
> Thus, it is part of my academic curriculum to study various religions.
>
> I willingly chose to be specialized in Christianity.
>
> I intended to present what the scientific standpoint says about the New 
> Testament.
>
> Misquoting Jesus is an excellent textbook, written in a highly academic 
> level. It is beneficial for those who are particularly unbiased.
>   It is quite intriguing, and I am on my fourth time reading it.
>
> It is filled of how the Bible got into constant circulations of textual 
> omissions and alterations.
>
> It talks about how the Bible were copied inaccurately.
>
> Ancient scribes, they used to manually copy their scroles, page by page, 
> sentence by sentence, word by word, and even letter by letter at a time.
>
>
>
> During this primitive process of copying, the text was     adapted, 
> mistakenly recorded, lost, or simply warn out.
>
> Professor Ehrman talks about mistakes being committed on root, and the 
> incorrect corrections of these radical mistakes.
>
> It was a textual replication of the previously committed mistake.
>
> Subsequently, Professor Ehrman incisively emphasizes, that there is no 
> guarantee, that the one who corrected the mistake, corrects it correctly.
>
>  Someone may assume, that there was a mistake, while there actually wasn't 
> a mistake.
>
> So, instead of correcting the text, the scribe actually corrupted it.
>
> He also talks about how the scribes were really careless of how to spell a 
> word.
>
> And then, he gives numerous instances of clarrifying that scriptural 
> phenomenon of the New testament.
>
> The book is a precious academic gem.
>
> It is definitely worth having.
>
> Professor Ehrman speaks about the Bible in a highly academic level, whilst 
> skilfully criticizing its present textual form. I have a passion of 
> education to learn from his enormous scholarship.
>
> There isn't any intended denouncement to Christian beliefs.
>
> Christian fundamentalist apologists are attempting to convince their 
> audience, that the Bible is heavenly divine, and it is utterly inerrant.
>
> Well, that might work for untutored believing Christians, who weren’t 
> lucky enough to thoroughly experience the highly theological academic 
> enrollment but, that doesn’t fit with someone who speaks at a majorly 
> competent academic level.
>
> Christian fundamentalist Apologists are extremely closed-minded.
>
> They can’t easily tolerate someone criticizing what they like to think of 
> as the Bible, and thus, they will remain in their elementary level, and 
> they will not step forward, unless they work on significantly adapting 
> their way of thinking.
>
> Christian fundamentalist Apologists are unable to maintain a satisfactory 
> level of academic engagement in terms of the Biblical literature textual 
> criticism.
>
> I read the Bible as it was suggested to me.
>
>
> I benefited a lot from reading the Bible.
>
> I found it to be similar to the Koranic description of it.
>
> It is filled with the word of God, whilst deliberately  coalesced   with 
> other textual elements.
>
> You may read the Bible vertically rather than just horizontally.
>
> To be perfectly honest, I imitated this suggestion from Professor Bart 
> Ehrman.
>
> Dear friends, you demand to be more open-minded than that.
>
> Can you possibly explain the vast abandonment of Christianity in the 
> recent years?
>
> Please, for those of you who happened to be Bible believing Christians, 
> you may sit down and read the Bible consecutively, from beginning to end.
>
> You may read the Bible horizontally rather than just vertically.
>
> Start over with Genesis 1 1, and make it all the way, to Revelation at a 
> time, and then tell me, what God says to you?
>
> That doesn't mean I am insulting your intelligence.
>
> I am just proposing a suggestion.
>
> Read  the Bible out, the way I just described.
>
> And please, you may temporarily suspend any theological motivations as you 
> are reading, if you chose to implement my suggestion.
>
> Upon you be peace and blessings.
>
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