[Faith-talk] Advice and prayers

Fri Nov 29 15:17:27 UTC 2013

On 11/29/13, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel the same way,
> Pope Francis may surprise us all. But I truly believe God is going to
> surprise us most of all.
> Jenny
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> I really couldn;t care less what happens between my death and  Jesus;s 2nd
>> coming. People argue over trifles like a pre-, intermediate and post
>> tribulation rapture. I don;t care as long as I am among those awake and
>> ready to go and welcome and celebrate with Jesus when he arrives. As far
>> as hell and purgatory go, my understanding of hell simply is life without
>> god. ppl get for eternity what they chose in their earthly lives. I
>> personally can;t imagine a loving god intentionally physically burning and
>> hurting people.  eternity without god is hell enough.
>>
>> This is, of course, just my ver homecooked personal theology that no
>> authority or papal approval. *g* somehow I think Frances will surprise us
>> still.
>>
>> In his grip of grace! Doris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:11 PM 11/28/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>> Actually the first early Christian did it with Constantine a pope from
>>> the Catholic Church who appease the pagans by celebrating mass or
>>> whatever on Sunday the day at the son God.
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Nov 28, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "John J. Boyer" <john at godtouches.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Very early in the history of Christianity the celebration of the
>>> > Sabbath
>>> > was moved from Saturday to Sunday, because it is the day on which
>>> > Jesus
>>> > rose from the dead. There are several references in the new Testament
>>> > to
>>> > celebration of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week. This
>>> > day
>>> > is also called the Lord's Day at the beginninng of Revelations.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 07:52:21PM -0600, Snow White Dove wrote:
>>> >> Thank you Doris.
>>> >> I like the Adventist Church. Everything is accessible to me in braille
>>> >> or audio or whatever I needed in.
>>> >> It is biblically the same as a standard Church. With the exception of
>>> >> the Sabbath. Which was not just celebrate celebrate by the Jews, but
>>> >> was celebrated before then at the very beginning since it was the
>>> >> seventh day.
>>> >>
>>> >> The only other major difference. Is that we have a different look on
>>> >> death.
>>> >> Instead of poop you dying you go to heaven. You go to sleep until the
>>> >> second coming of Christ and then your raised body and soul to heaven.
>>> >> If you're righteous.
>>> >> Their stuff after that. But it basically the same thing as everybody
>>> >> else.
>>> >> Jenny
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I was going to suggest the same, dear sister. To my knowledge,
>>> >>> Adventists do not use any literature additional to the Bible. They
>>> >>> vary in their interpretation of scripture to a degree that they place
>>> >>> emphasis on celebrating the Sabath as the jews do from friday night
>>> >>> to Saturday evening. I am not aware of them making salvation
>>> >>> dependent on this nor denounsing other Christians' salvation for not
>>> >>> agreeing with them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would not give much to what other people say or how they react
>>> >>> should you change churches or denoniminatial affiliation. There was
>>> >>> no such thing at the time of Christ. Christ was a Jew and did not
>>> >>> come to form a new jewish sect but change the way people related to
>>> >>> God and he wanted to do what only he could since the fall - bridge
>>> >>> the gap between God himself by taking his sin on for us.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Finally, if I believe in a persnal relationship with God and to God,
>>> >>> it is not mine to judge how a person relates to God. I will certainly
>>> >>> voice my opinion and do not shy away from discussion .
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For my personal journey of faith or walk with God, I almost always
>>> >>> wound up amidst the underdogs: with church of christ harding
>>> >>> University community, Chris and I on our second day there, met a gurl
>>> >>> that attended a house church formed by one of the university's
>>> >>> professors that was sort of blacklisted because they did not have
>>> >>> elders and basically were just a small house church and christians
>>> >>> that lived and shared their faith together. with the catholic church,
>>> >>> I ended up fellowshipping at a local church that had their own don
>>> >>> Camillo of sorts who had been sent to a small conservative
>>> >>> congregation for his political and social activities at his former
>>> >>> church and promptly turned the new church around by introducing them
>>> >>> to having breakfast together between services and just relating as
>>> >>> church family.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My theLord richly bless you in your walk with him and draw you ever
>>> >>> closer. He is all that matters.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In his grip of grace!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Doris
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At 08:36 AM 11/28/2013 -0900, you wrote:
>>> >>>> Hello sister, Here are a few things I think you need to ask about
>>> >>>> either religion, do they both completely depend on the work of Jesus
>>> >>>> Christ for your salvation? Do either require ceremonies, keeping the
>>> >>>> law, doing certain works that if you don't do them your are not
>>> >>>> saved anymore? Perhaps it is time for a full step by step journey
>>> >>>> through the new testament and try to understand what the Savior
>>> >>>> really said about salvation, not a couple passages here and there,
>>> >>>> but find out who Jesus was and is and what he really came to do for
>>> >>>> you, and what it means to be his daughter and how thorough, intimate
>>> >>>> and complete his amazing love for his children is. Also, how did
>>> >>>> people become saved before there was a "7 day Adventist Church" and
>>> >>>> a "Roman Catholic Church"? What did Jesus tell Nicodemus about
>>> >>>> salvation? What about the Ethiopian who was saved in the book of
>>> >>>> Acts, or the Jailer or the 5000 on the day of Pentecost, within some
>>> >>>> of the examples of people becoming saved in the Bible perhaps you
>>> >>>> will find some clarity to help you make a sound decision that will
>>> >>>> give you peace.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In his loving grip
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Snow White Dove"
>>> >>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:21 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Advice and prayers
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm writing this to ask you for prayers.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I think some of you know that I have been wrestling with the
>>> >>>>> decision to stay Roman Catholic, or to be at the 7th day adventist
>>> >>>>> faith.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I believe that the lord is leading me to the latter.
>>> >>>>> It is a church based on the Bible and not mysticism..
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's the way I was brought up.
>>> >>>>> My best friends are hard core Catholic and I know they will try to
>>> >>>>> convince me to stay.
>>> >>>>> I'm not feeling the spirit there any more, and I just am so drawn,
>>> >>>>> or lead to the adventist church.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please give me your take on this matter and more importantly, pray
>>> >>>>> that I make the right decisions.
>>> >>>>> To
>>> >>>>> I know my friends will accept my decision in time and will not
>>> >>>>> abandon me.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Again, please pray for me. To
>>> >>>>> Jenny
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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hi I never usually get into these things but  I thought I read some or
heard from  somewhere for get the source might have been a youth
pastor I had not sure that the cathlicks believe in purgatory.  I see
no proof that there is purgatory  when you die you either go to heaven
or hell. hell is spoken more  about than heaven.  god wants us us to
know the concequences of our sin if we choose not to follow him.  but
in nowhere in the bible does it speak of purgatory that is just false
teaching.   I myself am uncomfortable with the youkerist I would
rather take communion but not every sunday.