[Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism

Sun Oct 27 21:18:30 UTC 2013

Hi
The sad thing is that if it were just what you said it would be so beautiful 
but some denominations believe that the infant baptism gives eternal life 
and I don't believe that.
Maureen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Poppa Bear
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:40 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism

Most Christians hold the Jewish tradition of Baby dedication, this is where
the Pastor askes a blessing over the baby and the parents. The Pastor
typicaly asks the parents to commit their child to God and raising the child
in the knowledge and fear of the Lord. This is not a saramony to say that
the child now has faith in Christ, but that the parents will raise the child
in a Christian home with the knowledge of God.
HTH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maureen Pranghofer" <maureensmusic at comcast.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism

> Hi
> This is my personal belief, Jesus was baptised as an adult and I think 
> that is the example that should be used not the example of where He held 
> children and told people to let the children come to Him which is where 
> the infant baptism folks get their idea it should be done that way.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: justin williams
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:51 AM
> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
> Are you saying that baptized as a baby like the catholics do is not the
> right way? I am referring to the part about the emphant.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Timothy
> Clark Music
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:22 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Joshua Lester
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
> correct, obey god's word.
> You cannot find one person in the scriptures that was Baptized in the name
> of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Not one! However, you
> can find thousands of disciples being baptized in the name of the Lord 
> Jesus
> Christ. I do mean thousands! You can also find this information in more 
> than
> one place. We are buried with Him by Baptism into death. ROMANS 6:4  acts
> 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you 
> in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins , and ye shall receive
> the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>
> acts 10:48
> And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed
> they him to tarry certain days.
> acts 19:5
> When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
> I PETER 3:21
> The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the
> putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good 
> conscience
> toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
>
> If you have been baptized as an infant, without repentance, you have not
> been baptized according to the teaching of the scriptures. Religion has
> defiled the clear word of God and has become a false teaching.The 
> Scriptures
> are always true. The Apostles understood the importance of the water 
> baptism
> and were taught by our Lord Jesus. Thousands of born again believers where
> baptized in Jesus' name. This is what the scriptures prove over and over
> again. I would rather obey YHWH's word than any man's tradition. Please 
> read
> all of the scriptures carefully and realize that y ou cannot take care of
> spiritual problems with natural means.
> john 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
> man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> we baptize in the name of jesus because he is the only way. 1 Corinthians
> 12:13
>  - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be]
> Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to
> drink into one Spirit.
>
> another good verse is romans 6:3 that tells us,  - Know ye not, that so
> many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his 
> death?
> Titus 3:5
>  - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
> mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the 
> Holy
> Ghost;
> Ephesians 4:5    is  vary clear,  - One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
> so, i hope this helps.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't really need to brother Tim, I just need to obey the words of the
> Master. Why mince words?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> show me 1  accation where someone in the bible was baptized in the father
> son and wholly spirit..
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
> know, "Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost." "Father
> restore me to the glory I had before the world began", "I send the Holy
> Spirit to be with you." God's spirit was above the water, God spoke to 
> Adam
> and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the woman 
> who
> will bruze the head of the serpent. "The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
> "This is my son whom I am well pleased with" "Father Father, why have you
> forsaken me?" "No one comes to the Father except through me." "I do 
> nothing
> without my father" "Our father in heaven."
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>
>>>
>>> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as they
> teach about truth.
>>> it's trinitairian.
>>> it's secular teachings.
>>> there advice isn't bad but you just have to be careful. don't soke their
> teachings like a spundge.
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources 
>>>> to
> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> urggh, focus on the family.
>>>> good grief.
>>>> it's a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>>>> i like
>>>> http://www.voe.org
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jhm.org
>>>> http://triumphtoday.org
>>>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site 
> www.equip.org.
> James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please to find
> information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>> Diane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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