[Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.

Timothy Clark Music timothyclarkmusic at me.com
Wed Sep 4 01:46:48 UTC 2013 

justin, interpreting it is one of the biggest problems have.  
 let me show you a few virces. acts chapter 2 verse  38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 
 what does being baptized in the name of jesus signify? 
 see john chapter 3 verse3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 
 keep reading and it says in verse 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
 that's vary clear. that's talking about being baptized. 
 the bible should not be interpreted. 
 only literally. 
Timothy 
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On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Timothy Clark Music wrote:

> i'm sorry but andrew is hitting on vary valid points. 
> we should be standing up for the truth and not convenience. 
> the churches in the bible are lumped into two. luke warm, or fiery hot for jesus. those who are luke warm jesus will say i know you not. 
> churches as well as individuals need to be on fire for jesus. 
> we can't ideally sit by while gay's and murders and kids running away and rapes. 
> none of this stuff needs to be and it's this way because to many people has lost focus on god. 
> it's important to remember that we were made created in the image of god and that we are met to be different. 
> remember we are to be in the world but not of the world. 
> that's why we're born again. 
> we are born again by the renewing of our mind and spirit through the baptizing of the remission of our sins in the name of jesus. 
> while i am respectful of others and remembering this list is for conversation, i believe we can get our points across without offending anyone. 
> and if we do step on a few toes while glorifying the lord jesus christ, then i guess that's a price we'll have to pay. 
> if you have a problem with the things i'm saying i will have no problems leaving the list. 
> my only regret though would be that people aren't able to hear the truth. i'm not saying that anyone is wrong but i do think some are misguided. 
> again though, for me not to say. i'm just observing that's all. 
> take care.
> Timothy 
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> thanks and god bless
> 
> On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Linda Mentink wrote:
> 
>> Andrew, it's not what you feel that matters, but what God's Word says. Please don't lump all churches into one or two categories. There are still many good churches. Please take care not to offend anyone here. You don't have all the answers; none of us does. Computer churches are just as likely to err as are brick and mortar ones.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> At 08:15 PM 9/3/2013, you wrote:
>>> and just because a church is growing and things does not mean it is a
>>> good church.  because there are allot of pastors that preach  a luke
>>> warm message just to attract numbers and  give them a warm comfortable
>>> pew things like that.  so the thing is having these big churches are
>>> not always good.  after all it shouldn't be about the numbers it
>>> should be  teaching the bible and the hard truth of what the word says
>>> not man says.  and most churches are about money.  some churches have
>>> become so rich it seems that it is not even funny. I am not saying
>>> lots of money or being rich is bad but  how are we using it to get
>>> welth and prosperity the thing is this  god's idea of prosperity is
>>> being in him and his kingdom.   besides we can't take our pozessions
>>> to heaven we can't take our money to heaven just souls that come to
>>> Christ.  I feel like allot of churches are just storeing up treasure
>>> on earth in things.   I feel that today's church is just so luke warm
>>> as I said earlier until people get serious   there is no sence in
>>> calling ourselves Christian.
>>> 
>>> On 9/3/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Ashley, they might be teaching from the bible but are they teaching it
>>>> correctly.
>>>> for example, do they teach that the god head is 3 rapped up into the son of
>>>> god jesus christ?
>>>> this is why when prayers are said we say father or jesus.
>>>> they are all 3 rapped into 1 god head.
>>>> and, when they baptize, do they baptize in the name of jesus or father son
>>>> and holy ghost.
>>>> there's a lot that goes on that people accept that just is not correct.
>>>> i'm not saying your church is wrong just that there are a lot that are.
>>>> 
>>>> Timothy
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>>>> follow me on twitter @timothyclark13
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>>>> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
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>>>> 7244011224
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>>>> back in contact with you as soon as possible
>>>> thanks and god bless
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>> Nothing could be further from the truth! Many large churches, mainly the
>>>>> evangelical churches, do reach out.
>>>>> They are growing and growing.  They are very Christ centered. For instance
>>>>> the evangelical church me and my dad tried has 6 campuses or more! They
>>>>> not only have small groups, but larger groups to study the word. I don't
>>>>> know where you get such ideas that saintain is infultrating the church.
>>>>> You said
>>>>> "if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  "
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I can tell you that I was raised Methodist and those Christian
>>>>> friends who were raised in the church
>>>>> knew about God and ethical values and what Christianity meant.
>>>>> Churches do reach out. Examples are websites where sermons are posted
>>>>> online, newcomer classes, discipleship classes, small groups, and numerous
>>>>> fellowship activities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd have to say you are truly missing a lot by sitting around at home in
>>>>> front of  a computer. You miss the fellowship. You miss sharing your views
>>>>> with others in person. You miss the fact that people come up and know you
>>>>> by name and ask how things are going.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not saying you have to go to the brick and
>>>>> mourter church to be a good Christian. But I feel you will have a deeper
>>>>> experience going to one.
>>>>> You raised the issue about transportation. Maybe if you voice your needs
>>>>> to someone in a nearby church they will help you.
>>>>> I feel you gave up on church before trying to make a bigger effort to get
>>>>> there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know how it is not feeling fully included.  experienced this a lot in
>>>>> youth group and even sunday school before they got the readings in
>>>>> braille.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But still we should reach out and try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think educating any community including the church is a long road and
>>>>> the road is easier
>>>>> if more of us participate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:18 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> but I feel we shouldn't tell people that they have to go to a brick
>>>>> and morte church  at all. that is not our job I feel.  online churches
>>>>> are as affective as the  off line churches. like the community I am
>>>>> part of has people in it that have been hurt by the brick and morter
>>>>> church.  so she is not going back she would rather take part in online
>>>>> churches.  there is nothing wrong with online churches. I feel we as
>>>>> Christians should not be telling people they have to go to a brick and
>>>>> morter church. Satan and I hate to say this but satan has the brick
>>>>> and morter church is in his grasp because people are not fighting
>>>>> back and getting the victory we need is souls coming to Christ.  and
>>>>> if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  as timothy said. we are to
>>>>> dependent on a church building churches are not reaching out for souls
>>>>> and  satan has as I said the church as a whole in his grasp people are
>>>>> to blind to see it. Christians truly are not standing up for god.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/3/13, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Jenny, I totally agree. I know that the internet wasn't around when
>>>>>> the Bible was inspired, but I don't believe that Hebrews 10:24-25
>>>>>> means that it's OK to stay home and worship with others via the
>>>>>> computer. It's unfortunate that that's the only way for some of the
>>>>>> blind community to go to church. It lets church members off the hook,
>>>>>> or so they think.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 12:11 PM 9/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been close to totally blind since birth, and I don't like the
>>>>>>> movement that has been mafe to screens instead of using a book for
>>>>>>> music, especially since I'm a singer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, i don't think that there is any replacement for fellowship
>>>>>>> and actually being among fellow christians in person and feeling the
>>>>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> some churches will be happy to email you the words to the music if
>>>>>>> they can figure out how to get it from power point to a document
>>>>>>> format.  You just have to ask and be persistent.  also, just sit
>>>>>>> down with your pastor if needbe and explain that you don't feel a
>>>>>>> part of the worship service without the words to the songs, or
>>>>>>> whatever you are lacking.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If we just hide away in our houses and do church there.  We're
>>>>>>> giving up and the churches won't ever know how much this affects us
>>>>>>> and how to help us.  Which is what churches are supposed to be about.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe try different churches to see where you fit in.
>>>>>>> don't be limitted to the status quo.  branch out to other things in
>>>>>>> the christian arena
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You never know if you may find just where you belong.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jenny and Shasta
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:35 AM, "Maureen Pranghofer"
>>>>>>> <maureensmusic at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>> I do not believe that if God wanted us to see He would create us
>>>>>>> as sighted. Otherwise Jesus would havedone no healing because
>>>>>>> everyone would have been whole at birth.
>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:12 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> If this isn't a joke, can you please spell correctly?
>>>>>>>> On the subject of seeing, if God wanted to have you see, he would
>>>>>>> create you
>>>>>>>> as sighted.
>>>>>>>> But he created us the way we are for a reason including the
>>>>>>>> characteristic
>>>>>>>> that we cannot see.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> if you can see it beeleeve it then you can a cheeve it. dont forget
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> pray. dont beeafreade to pray. prayer changes things!Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>> Happiness&Obianuju. One Love Keep Us Together. our motto song
>>>>>>>> &slogan!
>>>>>>>> mom told mee this at childbirth. if you try you will SekSeed. try try
>>>>>>>> try agan. for if you pursivear. you will conker neverfear. try try
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> agan|. in the words of w h u r's f m. Jacky Gails Webb! may the grace
>>>>>>>> of god save you. may the will of god guide you&may the love of god
>>>>>>>> shine thru you
>>>>>>>> i wont to see like my wife my adonnaWife. I have ben blind sence
>>>>>>>> childbirth, can i start seeing? agan or i will bee blind4ever?
>>>>>>>> 
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