[Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.

Poppa Bear heavens4real at gmail.com
Wed Sep 4 20:38:19 UTC 2013 

I think your pretty firy Miss Ashly, Grin.  God bless sister.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.


> Andrew,
> I grew up Methodist and those preachers are not firy.
> Who says you  got to be firey to preach the truth and word of Christ?
> You don't have to as far as I know. They were quieter type sermons.
>
> I was taught the parables in Sunday school; I was taught about Jesus life, 
> trial and ressurection. I was also taught about other key leaders of the 
> Bible such as Moses and what he did for God.
> This was in Sunday school as a kid. I did not go to church service much, 
> but sunday school and other church activities were a part of my life; I 
> was even in the children's choir.
>
> If you fall asleep that is your problem. Just because sermons fail to 
> interest you does not! make them wrong.
> I think you have a problem with the style of preaching in real churches 
> and lumped your experience altogether.
> Some denominations are more firey than others. If that works for you, then 
> go that way.
>
> But there's a difference between a style and what is the truth of the 
> gospel.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Andrew
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 1:17 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>
> well that is true though Ashley I don't see much of the bible being
> preached your experience has not been mine and  I feel like I have
> not seen much happen in churches generally speaking.  but what I said
> and timothy says is totally correct  the bible is not explained
> properly and if the bible was preached properly I would get allot more
> out of it and  I would get a better understanding of it.  but  I tend
> to fall asleep through a pastors preaching a pastors preaching should
> keep me awake and  what I look for is  this  fire and brimstone
> preaching is likely to keep me awake but pastors who  are quiet tend
> to put me asleep. and I get nothing out of allot of sermons usually.
>
> On 9/4/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> But your contention that churches 1. do not reach out for souls and 2. do
>> not preach the Christ centered gospel and 3. fail to spread the gospel to
>> non believers is wrong.
>>
>> Have you  been to a church recently? You can certainly worship online if 
>> you
>>
>> want through the computer, but I do not believe transportation should be 
>> the
>>
>> only excuse or barrier.
>> Frankly, your assertations backed up by no substance rubs me the wrong 
>> way.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:15 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>
>> and just because a church is growing and things does not mean it is a
>> good church.  because there are allot of pastors that preach  a luke
>> warm message just to attract numbers and  give them a warm comfortable
>> pew things like that.  so the thing is having these big churches are
>> not always good.  after all it shouldn't be about the numbers it
>> should be  teaching the bible and the hard truth of what the word says
>> not man says.  and most churches are about money.  some churches have
>> become so rich it seems that it is not even funny. I am not saying
>> lots of money or being rich is bad but  how are we using it to get
>> welth and prosperity the thing is this  god's idea of prosperity is
>> being in him and his kingdom.   besides we can't take our pozessions
>> to heaven we can't take our money to heaven just souls that come to
>> Christ.  I feel like allot of churches are just storeing up treasure
>> on earth in things.   I feel that today's church is just so luke warm
>> as I said earlier until people get serious   there is no sence in
>> calling ourselves Christian.
>>
>> On 9/3/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
>>> Ashley, they might be teaching from the bible but are they teaching it
>>> correctly.
>>>  for example, do they teach that the god head is 3 rapped up into the 
>>> son
>>>
>>> of
>>> god jesus christ?
>>>  this is why when prayers are said we say father or jesus.
>>>  they are all 3 rapped into 1 god head.
>>>  and, when they baptize, do they baptize in the name of jesus or father
>>> son
>>> and holy ghost.
>>>  there's a lot that goes on that people accept that just is not correct.
>>>  i'm not saying your church is wrong just that there are a lot that are.
>>>
>>> Timothy
>>>  Your friend in the music industry
>>>  follow me on twitter @timothyclark13
>>>  to check out music, photos, videos, press, show dates, and more go to
>>> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
>>>  feel free to give me a call at
>>>  7244011224
>>>  note, if i don't answer your call just leave me a voicemail and i'll 
>>> get
>>> back in contact with you as soon as possible
>>>  thanks and god bless
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>> Nothing could be further from the truth! Many large churches, mainly 
>>>> the
>>>> evangelical churches, do reach out.
>>>> They are growing and growing.  They are very Christ centered. For
>>>> instance
>>>> the evangelical church me and my dad tried has 6 campuses or more! They
>>>> not only have small groups, but larger groups to study the word. I 
>>>> don't
>>>> know where you get such ideas that saintain is infultrating the church.
>>>> You said
>>>> "if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  "
>>>>
>>>> Well, I can tell you that I was raised Methodist and those Christian
>>>> friends who were raised in the church
>>>> knew about God and ethical values and what Christianity meant.
>>>> Churches do reach out. Examples are websites where sermons are posted
>>>> online, newcomer classes, discipleship classes, small groups, and
>>>> numerous
>>>> fellowship activities.
>>>>
>>>> I'd have to say you are truly missing a lot by sitting around at home 
>>>> in
>>>> front of  a computer. You miss the fellowship. You miss sharing your
>>>> views
>>>> with others in person. You miss the fact that people come up and know
>>>> you
>>>> by name and ask how things are going.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying you have to go to the brick and
>>>> mourter church to be a good Christian. But I feel you will have a 
>>>> deeper
>>>> experience going to one.
>>>> You raised the issue about transportation. Maybe if you voice your 
>>>> needs
>>>> to someone in a nearby church they will help you.
>>>> I feel you gave up on church before trying to make a bigger effort to
>>>> get
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> I know how it is not feeling fully included.  experienced this a lot in
>>>> youth group and even sunday school before they got the readings in
>>>> braille.
>>>>
>>>> But still we should reach out and try.
>>>>
>>>> I think educating any community including the church is a long road and
>>>> the road is easier
>>>> if more of us participate.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:18 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>
>>>> but I feel we shouldn't tell people that they have to go to a brick
>>>> and morte church  at all. that is not our job I feel.  online churches
>>>> are as affective as the  off line churches. like the community I am
>>>> part of has people in it that have been hurt by the brick and morter
>>>> church.  so she is not going back she would rather take part in online
>>>> churches.  there is nothing wrong with online churches. I feel we as
>>>> Christians should not be telling people they have to go to a brick and
>>>> morter church. Satan and I hate to say this but satan has the brick
>>>> and morter church is in his grasp because people are not fighting
>>>> back and getting the victory we need is souls coming to Christ.  and
>>>> if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  as timothy said. we are to
>>>> dependent on a church building churches are not reaching out for souls
>>>> and  satan has as I said the church as a whole in his grasp people are
>>>> to blind to see it. Christians truly are not standing up for god.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/13, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> Jenny, I totally agree. I know that the internet wasn't around when
>>>>> the Bible was inspired, but I don't believe that Hebrews 10:24-25
>>>>> means that it's OK to stay home and worship with others via the
>>>>> computer. It's unfortunate that that's the only way for some of the
>>>>> blind community to go to church. It lets church members off the hook,
>>>>> or so they think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 12:11 PM 9/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>> I have been close to totally blind since birth, and I don't like the
>>>>>> movement that has been mafe to screens instead of using a book for
>>>>>> music, especially since I'm a singer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, i don't think that there is any replacement for fellowship
>>>>>> and actually being among fellow christians in person and feeling the
>>>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some churches will be happy to email you the words to the music if
>>>>>> they can figure out how to get it from power point to a document
>>>>>> format.  You just have to ask and be persistent.  also, just sit
>>>>>> down with your pastor if needbe and explain that you don't feel a
>>>>>> part of the worship service without the words to the songs, or
>>>>>> whatever you are lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we just hide away in our houses and do church there.  We're
>>>>>> giving up and the churches won't ever know how much this affects us
>>>>>> and how to help us.  Which is what churches are supposed to be about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe try different churches to see where you fit in.
>>>>>> don't be limitted to the status quo.  branch out to other things in
>>>>>> the christian arena
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You never know if you may find just where you belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny and Shasta
>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:35 AM, "Maureen Pranghofer"
>>>>>> <maureensmusic at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi
>>>>>> > I do not believe that if God wanted us to see He would create us
>>>>>> as sighted. Otherwise Jesus would havedone no healing because
>>>>>> everyone would have been whole at birth.
>>>>>> > Maureen
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:12 PM
>>>>>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> > If this isn't a joke, can you please spell correctly?
>>>>>> > On the subject of seeing, if God wanted to have you see, he would
>>>>>> create you
>>>>>> > as sighted.
>>>>>> > But he created us the way we are for a reason including the
>>>>>> > characteristic
>>>>>> > that we cannot see.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:00 PM
>>>>>> > To: Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > Subject: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > if you can see it beeleeve it then you can a cheeve it. dont forget
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > pray. dont beeafreade to pray. prayer changes things!Chikodinaka
>>>>>> > Happiness&Obianuju. One Love Keep Us Together. our motto song
>>>>>> > &slogan!
>>>>>> > mom told mee this at childbirth. if you try you will SekSeed. try
>>>>>> > try
>>>>>> > try agan. for if you pursivear. you will conker neverfear. try try
>>>>>> > try
>>>>>> > agan|. in the words of w h u r's f m. Jacky Gails Webb! may the
>>>>>> > grace
>>>>>> > of god save you. may the will of god guide you&may the love of god
>>>>>> > shine thru you
>>>>>> > i wont to see like my wife my adonnaWife. I have ben blind sence
>>>>>> > childbirth, can i start seeing? agan or i will bee blind4ever?
>>>>>> >
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