[Faith-talk] Moral Nihilist: The Intellectually Honest Atheist

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Yes, once more I see no contradiction with how the video defined morality. But we can have a more fruitful discussion if you watch the entire video.

Since you posted the different camps of moral philosophy, I would best be described by moral error theory: a moral statement is neither true or false, because it really does not describe anything at all.

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Peace,
Brandon

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On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is some more on morality, after the section I will post the link which
> is much more extensive if anybody would like to read further. Morality and
> ethics[edit]
> See also: Sittlichkeit
> Ethics (also known as moral philosophy) is the branch of philosophy which
> addresses questions of morality. The word 'ethics' is "commonly used
> interchangeably with 'morality' ... and sometimes it is used more narrowly
> to mean the moral principles of a particular tradition, group, or
> individual."[6] Likewise, certain types of ethical theories, especially
> deontological ethics, sometimes distinguish between 'ethics' and 'morals':
> "Although the morality of people and their ethics amounts to the same thing,
> there is a usage that restricts morality to systems such as that of Kant,
> based on notions such as duty, obligation, and principles of conduct,
> reserving ethics for the more Aristotelian approach to practical reasoning,
> based on the notion of a virtue, and generally avoiding the separation of
> 'moral' considerations from other practical considerations."[7]
> Descriptive and normative[edit]
> . In its descriptive sense, "morality" refers to personal or cultural
> values, codes of conduct or social mores. It does not connote objective
> claims of right or wrong, but only refers to that which is considered right
> or wrong. Descriptive ethics is the branch of philosophy which studies
> morality in this sense.
> . In its normative sense, "morality" refers to whatever (if anything) is
> actually right or wrong, which may be independent of the values or mores
> held by any particular peoples or cultures. Normative ethics is the branch
> of philosophy which studies morality in this sense.
> Realism and anti-realism[edit]
> Philosophical theories on the nature and origins of morality (that is,
> theories of meta-ethics) are broadly divided into two classes:
> . Moral realism is the class of theories which hold that there are true
> moral statements that report objective moral facts. For example, while they
> might concede that forces of social conformity significantly shape
> individuals' "moral" decisions, they deny that those cultural norms and
> customs define morally right behavior. This may be the philosophical view
> propounded by ethical naturalists, however not all moral realists accept
> that position (e.g. ethical non-naturalists).[8]
> . Moral anti-realism, on the other hand, holds that moral statements either
> fail or do not even attempt to report objective moral facts. Instead, they
> hold that moral sentences are either categorically false claims of objective
> moral facts (error theory); claims about subjective attitudes rather than
> objective facts (ethical subjectivism); or else not attempts to describe the
> world at all but rather something else, like an expression of an emotion or
> the issuance of a command (non-cognitivism).
> Some forms of non-cognitivism and ethical subjectivism, while considered
> anti-realist in the robust sense used here, but are considered realist in
> the sense synonymous with moral universalism. For example, universal
> prescriptivism is a universalist form of non-cognitivism which claims that
> morality is derived from reasoning about implied imperatives, and divine
> command theory and ideal observer theory are universalist forms of ethical
> subjectivism which claim that morality is derived from the edicts of a god
> or the hypothetical decrees of a perfectly rational being, respectively.
> Anthropology[edit]
> Tribal and territorial[edit]
> Celia Green made a distinction between tribal and territorial morality.[9]
> She characterizes the latter as predominantly negative and proscriptive: it
> defines a person's territory, including his or her property and dependents,
> which is not to be damaged or interfered with. Apart from these
> proscriptions, territorial morality is permissive, allowing the individual
> whatever behaviour does not interfere with the territory of another. By
> contrast, tribal morality is prescriptive, imposing the norms of the
> collective on the individual. These norms will be arbitrary, culturally
> dependent and 'flexible', whereas territorial morality aims at rules which
> are universal and absolute, such as Kant's 'categorical imperative' and
> Geisler's graded absolutism. Green relates the development of territorial
> morality to the rise of the concept of private property, and the ascendancy
> of contract over status.
> 	
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> A. Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 9:38 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Moral Nihilist: The Intellectually Honest Atheist
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Found this video on Youtube today. It closely aligns with my own feelings on
> morality. So I wanted to put it out there to get a discussion going on this
> topic: is there such thing as objective morality?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfDIewPFb0 
> 
> Peace,
> Brandon
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