[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

Wed Dec 17 22:57:16 UTC 2014

hello there - 
 it’s not about rather they think good or bad thoughts concerning blake, it’s about following god’s rules and they are doing that. i respect that.  
 as stated before, two separate beds and or rooms would do the trick. 
 god bless you
Timothy Clark Ministries 

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On Kislev 25, 5775 AM, at 15:34, adrijana prokopenko via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Sorry you are experiencing this, if you got a pastor who can't and
> doesn't understand blindness and connects it sleeping in a same room
> with having sex, I think you should change your church and find more
> supportive people. You don't need to explain anything to anyone about
> this guy, if he is nice and wants to stay with you, he has the right
> to, all you could do is to take him meet these people and if they
> still think badly of him, they could say it then and there. Good luck.
> 
> On 12/17/14, Beth Taurasi via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear List members,
>> I don't normally post here much, but I have a situation that calls for
>> some blindness education, but it seems like all the blindness education
>> is going nowhere.  I had a little phone conference with my church's
>> pastor, Glynn, and he told me that all practicalities are trumped by the
>> Bible's commandment for women and men not to sleep in the same
>> apartment, no questions asked.  He didn't approach it in a nasty way,
>> but I'm concerned.  Blake, my boyfriend from Arizona, is an alumni of
>> the CCB.  He's coming over here to spend a week with me in Denver, but
>> we've got the problem of the church saying he shouldn't sleep in my
>> apartment.  Well, even if he didn't, the building I live in has some bad
>> people in it.  Case in point, there was a guy so demented in the laundry
>> room once that demanded I not touch his clothes, and I told him in a
>> rather curt way that "I'm blind, I had no clue those were yours."
>> Because of this, I have an aversion to community laundry rooms.  A
>> caregiver goes down and does my laundry for me.  Plus the machines are
>> not ADA compliant.  Ugh.
>> But that's beside the point.  It  just proves that some males don't know
>> how to take care of themselves in this building.  The other option the
>> church gave me was to have Blake's mother with him on the trip.  Nope.
>> That's not possible, Blake wants to see me and only me, and his mom
>> doesn't want to come.  Reasonably, I think this is fine since Kathy, the
>> mother, does not have any motivation much to get up and go to exotic
>> places or whatever.  All she is doing these days is working the studio.
>> She teaches tai kwon do.  Blake on the other hand is no longer active in
>> the studio.
>> The church has also suggested that Blake live somewhere but not my
>> apartment for the week.  I keep explaining that my apartment building is
>> located near a bus line, the 9.  Glynn didn't seem to think this was ok
>> though.  Blake and I have prepared for this moment, where the church
>> people tell us not to stay in the apartment together.  Hey, we don't
>> want to have sex or anything stupid, we just need places to sleep.
>> Where in the Bible would it justify Blake having to sleep somewhere
>> else, outside the apartment's walls?
>> Then, Blake and I discussed Glynn's weird thoughts.  Blake suggests
>> Glynn tour the CCB.  I plan to explain the situation a bit clearer to
>> Glynn: Blind people must live near a bus or light rail, must have
>> tactile microwave buttons which hotels don't have, must have a labeled
>> and marked environment which a lot of hotels don't have, and more
>> importantly, for Blake, must have someone his mother trusts. She doesn't
>> trust all males in my building because she's never met them.  Kathy
>> can't meet those people because she is not apt to going to Denver.
>> Kathy is a worried mother who lost her other son to a murder suicide,
>> which I won't go into.  All I'll say is that it was the boy's sick
>> girlfriend who killed him.  Kathy now knows I would NEVER kill her son.
>> Why would I!
>> Of course, Glynn tries to put his Biblical commands in the way of
>> independence.  Where, I ask, does independence end and biblicality
>> begin?  Where do my rights as a blind person end and the right of
>> Christians begin?  Does Jesus know all this could take place?  He healed
>> the blind, not taught them skills.  I also graduated the CCB, so skills
>> are important.  I can travel, and from time to time, I take a bus
>> downtown.  Not bad, you say, but with those resources, I can also get
>> door to door transit via access a ride.  Blake needs to be able to take
>> advantage of that transit.  So it looks easy to say and I conclude that
>> Blake must stay here, but what do you guys think of this!  What do you
>> guys say would be a solution to the problem? We understand that sex
>> belongs in the context of marriage.  It is legitimate to think this way,
>> and the bodies are from a fallen world, but I want a forward answer as
>> to what we could do to solve the church and our problem?  What should
>> Blake and I say to Glynn about the sleeping arrangements if they are
>> brought up again? Should Glynn, the pastor, go on a tour of CCB and talk
>> to staff about their lives as blind professionals?  Do you think as a
>> Christian who is blind that there need to be modifications made to a
>> lifestyle where cars are the norm?  Thanks in advance.
>> Beth
>> 
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