[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

Thu Dec 18 19:06:37 UTC 2014

hello there - 
 while i understand where you are coming from, the thing you fail to realise is while the wording might be a little different, the message is still the same.
Timothy Clark Ministries 

  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com

On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 14:04, Christine Olivares <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s one for you. We don’t have the original scripts of the Bible. In fact, there are a million translations out there, and each one says something a little different. Not even Catholics have the original Bible. No one does. When the scribes translated and wrote the Word down, they did make mistakes. I have heard of discrepancies in the bible due to people’s errors. If we do have the true word of God, this would a different discussion, but since we don’t , we don’t know what is happening.
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> brandon, if you are driving along and your gas gage quits working, do you drive along assuming you have a full tank? 
>> wow. 
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>> Timothy Clark Ministries 
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>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
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>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 11:00, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> But in a religion where guilt is the primary motivator, one must wonder whether something has gone awry. In my experience, we know exactly the perfect thing to do, without the man-made rules to constrict us.
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>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Sometimes guilt is like the flashing light on the dashboard of a car warning you that something is going wrong. We live in a world where people take a hammer and smash the instruments that warn us and guide us and then wonder why they crashed and burned. Guilt has its place, just like all emotions.
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>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
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>>>> To: Christine Allison Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question
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>>>> I agree with Christine. Only you know what your limits are, if waiting until marriage is something that’s important to you. IMO it’s none of your church’s business. So many churches now seem to focus on pharisaical rules. The important thing you should be asking is, how is your relationship with the Divine / God? Do you live a good life? Do you help others? Beyond that, the rules are just man-made constructs. Religion shouldn’t be something that inspires guilt, it should be something that inspires you to greatness.
>>>> 
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Brandon
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>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Christine Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>> Beth,
>>>>> As I have said, you should do what you feel is right. My husband and I did live together before marriage with his mom, and yes, even slept in the same bed. Oh dear! Well, we didn’t have any problems staying pure, so I disagree that because you are in the same proximity you will just start popping out babies. If you do have enough discipline you should be fine. If you do feel you are going to be tempted, then have him stay in someone else’s house.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly think people are just assuming it will be tough for you to make your own decisions, and that you will be “tempted.” It depends on how you value being a Christian, and I don’t say this as blaming you but for your own self-examination. Are you a strict Christian or will you do what is easier for you? Blake is staying for a week, it’s not like he is living with you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am more of an open-minded Christian in that sometimes you have to think outside the box and not judge anyone at all. You need to do what helps you and what is best for you. If you know you will be tempted, do something about it. If not, then proceed as planned.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have many people who are giving you all different opinions, and no opinion is gospel. So just take what everyone is saying and do what you feel is right.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Debby Phillips via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>> Beth, I hate to sound like a stick in the mud, but I think your pastor is right.  I know all the practical stuff, I understand.  There's a part of me that wants to say, hey, Blake should be able to stay with you.  But a bigger part of me says, no.  How long is he going to be in Denver? Would it work for him to spend the night at a church member's home? You see, I know how these things work.  Nobody ever "intends" to have sex.  But it's very difficult when two people are together in close proximity for it not to happen.  And Scripture and other spiritual writers talk about "the occasion of sin".  In other words, you need to not put yourself into situations where temptation can lead to sin.  Your pastor is being just that, your pastor.  He is a wise man.  Why not ask him if he has any suggestions as to what you could do so that you could enjoy Blake's visit without putting yourself in to a position where you might give into temptation?
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>>>>>> I have been in those situations Beth, and I have to say that I almost blew it.  Plus it's not a great witness for two Christians, male and female to be living in the same house.  People will speculate and think that you had sex whether you did or not.  This is really not a blindness issue other than you need to make different arrangements.  And be thankful that you have a pastor who is looking out for your best interests.    Blessings,    Debby and Neena
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