[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

Thu Dec 18 20:21:34 UTC 2014

i am with timothy 100 percent  the bible should be followed if we are
going to live the christian life study those passages that timothy put
 up here and allow the lord to guide you the marriage bed should be
made pure and this is not about rules or it is not about following a
particular religion it is about following what god says and his laws
and  this includes purity as well. scripts or

On 12/18/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> read  1 Corinthians chapter 7
>  Hebrews 13:4  states, Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the
> marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and
> adulterous.
>   1 Corinthians 10:8 states, We must not indulge in sexual immorality as
> some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day.
>  i'm not saying that you are going to indulge yourself in sexual immorality
> but we MUST do what we can to insure that you don't.
>  we who call ourselves christians, must live according to god's laws.
> Timothy Clark Ministries
>
>
>
>   http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>
> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 14:25, Brandon A. Olivares
> <programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Book, chapter and verse please: where in the Bible does it say that two
>> people cannot stay together for a brief time? I think what you mean is
>> that she doesn't live by the arbitrary rules set by her pastor. No matter
>> what, who really cares? As Justin said, she's a grown woman and can do as
>> she likes.
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries
>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> hello there -
>>> is it judging when you inherently decide to no longer live by the book
>>> you claim to believe in?
>>> wow.
>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 14:09, Christine Olivares
>>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This list is for everyone of all faiths, and we all should give our own
>>>> perspectives without judgement. We are all giving our two sense, not
>>>> trying to see what is right or wrong. I don't think beth wants a lecture
>>>> about what is in the Bible. She just wants to know if this is a blind
>>>> issue or not. What she does is her choice. And to say you should or
>>>> shouldn't call yourself Christian is not for anyone to judge. Only God
>>>> can judge, not us.
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon -
>>>>> i'm guessing this list is for everyone from all different backgrounds
>>>>> of faith. this being said, while i know where you are coming from, the
>>>>> bible that a lot of us subscribes to gives us rules and regulations on
>>>>> subjects such as sex. we must follow the teachings found there within
>>>>> it's pages as for christians, that's truly the only way.
>>>>> just because you call yourself a christian doesn't mean you actually
>>>>> are. we have to be living examples of christ on earth.
>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 13:31, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is guilt? It is the response of our mind to a violation of
>>>>>> societal, cultural or religious norms and expectations. It does not
>>>>>> mean you have done something wrong necessarily. The question of what,
>>>>>> if anything, is "wrong" is another topic entirely, but suffice it to
>>>>>> say that just because some institution declares an action wrong, does
>>>>>> not inherently make it wrong. It's "wrong" for a Catholic to eat meat
>>>>>> on a Friday, because the Church says so. So if a Catholic eats meat on
>>>>>> a Friday, they feel guilt, not because it is an inherently wrong
>>>>>> action, but because the religious norms they have subscribed to say
>>>>>> that it is wrong. for an atheist, or a Pagan, or a Jew, or a Muslim,
>>>>>> they're not going to feel any guilt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what this comes down to is that a pastor subscribes to the norm
>>>>>> that a boyfriend staying in one's apartment is wrong. Now Beth has to
>>>>>> decide whether she wants to subscribe to those norms or not. But it is
>>>>>> just that: a norm created by a another human being, and whether she
>>>>>> chooses to subscribe or not is completely up to her. It's as simple as
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Debby Phillips
>>>>>>> <semisweetdebby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Christine, often I agree with you.  This time well, nope.
>>>>>>> First of all, (and I'm setting up a premise here).  If you are a
>>>>>>> Christian, then by virtue of being a Christian you have chosen to
>>>>>>> accept certain principles.  One of those is that we should live godly
>>>>>>> lives.  What that looks like may be a little different for each
>>>>>>> person, but it will probably be lived out in one of two ways: the
>>>>>>> Bible and it alone is your guide.  Then if that's the case, you try,
>>>>>>> to the best of your ability to follow what Scripture says.  For me as
>>>>>>> a Catholic, I follow Scripture, but within the framework of the
>>>>>>> teachings and Tradition of the Church.  It's like a three-legged
>>>>>>> stool: we have Scripture, Tradition (which is the accumulative
>>>>>>> writings, prayers, etc.  and the Magisterium, the Teaching Church.
>>>>>>> What is the Church officially saying about this or that subject.  All
>>>>>>> three go together.  (And even in churches that say they only follow
>>>>>>> Scripture, many churches have manuals that give guidelines about
>>>>>>> various things.  (For instance, the Free Methodist Church has the
>>>>>>> Book of Discipline.  Does every decision I make have to be looked at
>>>>>>> minutely every day? No, of course not.  That would be crazy.  But
>>>>>>> certainly our lives and how we live them are formed by something.
>>>>>>> Nobody operates out of a vacuum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unresolved guilt is not healthy.  But when I feel guilty about
>>>>>>> something (either before I've done it but I'm thinking about doing
>>>>>>> it) or after I've done it) the healthy thing is to resolve the guilt.
>>>>>>>  If I'm feeling guilty about whether to do or not do something, then
>>>>>>> I need to look at it and determine whether I should do or not do
>>>>>>> whatever it is that's making me feel guilty.  If I decide that I'm
>>>>>>> not going to do it, fine and good, if I decide to do it then I must
>>>>>>> be aware that there will be consequences.  There are always
>>>>>>> consequences to our actions.  If I feel guilty after I have done
>>>>>>> something then I need to decide why.  Is it something I should feel
>>>>>>> guilty about? Then I need to repent, resolve not to do it again, and
>>>>>>> if possible, make restitution.  If I'm just being overly sensitive
>>>>>>> and there's nothing to feel guilty about, then I need to move on.
>>>>>>> And if I'm not sure, well, I need to pray, and seek out counsel.  Or
>>>>>>> as a Catholic, maybe I need to go to Reconciliation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry I have rambled so much.    Blessings,    Debby and Neena
>>>>>>
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