[Faith-talk] developmental delay among the blind

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 30 05:11:22 UTC 2014 

It would seem that while he could have forced the healing, doing so against
the individuals unbelief/ will  would be counter to his cause.

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Timothy
Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:04 AM
To: Christine Olivares
Cc: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] developmental delay among the blind

lol. you speak of the end of a parable and you also don't understand. 
 
 
 
 can i share with you something? 
 see verse 58. 
  And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
now, it says not mighty works. 
 miracles were still done in that town. not many doesn't mean none at all
for some reason or another though, they aren't in that particular chapter. 
  
 Timothy Clark Ministries 
  
  
  
  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com

On Tevet 7, 5775 AM, at 23:54, Christine Olivares <rafael4490 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No no, this is the Scripture where Jesus tried healing people in his own
town and many were not healed because of their lack of faith. I do think the
person being prayed for must have a tiny tiny bit of faith, if not hope. I'm
not saying we have to "name it and claim it" nonsense, but I do think there
is a wish for healing, at least, even if someone is a non-believer. As long
as the person has some type of hope that's all that matters.
> 
> The Scripture Brandon referred to is Mat. 13:53-58. God bless,
> 
> Christine
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> you are talking concerning the woman with the issue of blood. 
>> just about every other time, the one praying for healing was the one in
need of the faith. 
>> there are times where faith is the factor for the one in need of their
miracle. we all should have faith, absolutely. but if you are the one in
need of healing and you aren't a believer, you can still be healed. 
>> i've seen it. they then gain faith after receiving their miracle. 
>> god bless
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Tevet 7, 5775 AM, at 23:35, Brandon A. Olivares
<programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I disagree with this, in a purely Christian context. I recall the
passage where Jesus tried to heal people, but barely any miracles happened
because of their lack of faith. He always emphasized how important faith is,
and told the sick that their faith has healed them. Kind of off-topic, but
just wanted to respond to that.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> it's never been the faith of the sick that's gotten someone healed.
it's always been the person praying for the one in need of healing. they are
the ones with the need for the faith. jesus when he healed had faith that
whatever he said would occur. same with peter. he had faith in jesus and
healed the blind man. 
>>>> often times, people pray just to pray without the faith to create the
object of their desired goal. 
>>>> praying in faith is when prayers are answered. it's as if you are
swimming down stream. however, on the other hand praying without faith is
like swimming against a rip current. dang near impossible and 9 times out of
10, you don't survive it. 
>>>> same deal here. 
>>>> if someone want's to pray for me, you are more than welcome but you had
best have faith. otherwise, you might as well not pray at all. 
>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Tevet 7, 5775 AM, at 16:19, Andrew via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> the one thing is we need to allow god to help us over come this 
>>>>> developmental delay and  embrace the challenges.  The thing is 
>>>>> this the professionals are certainly not god that is for sure  and 
>>>>> can we believe everything they say that is the thing i really don't
know i
>>>>> guess  bottom line is this what do they base their facts on   because
>>>>> a text book can be wrong.  but we know god is correct in my 
>>>>> personal opinion. I also feel that there can also be so many miss 
>>>>> understandings which does tie in to people for example trying to 
>>>>> pray blindness out of you.  there may be miss understandings in 
>>>>> both those areas  they both have things in common  as we as  blind 
>>>>> people could be interperited as having very little faith if people  
>>>>> for example pray over us and we don't get healed things like that  
>>>>> and a things could also be miss interperited to be a developmental 
>>>>> delay but i also feel that  need to be on the ready and not be 
>>>>> taken off guard as to if somebody wants to pray it out of you how 
>>>>> you are going to handle it or how you will be able to address it 
>>>>> if these things come our way  allot is that  educating needs to happen
as well to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/29/14, Beth Taurasi via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>>>>> Well said.  I was told I had "developmental delays", and so has 
>>>>>> my boyfriend who is also lifelong blind.  We're born this way, 
>>>>>> but we do things differently.  It's bad enough you have lost the 
>>>>>> ability to read social cues, and I was also diagnosed as 80% 
>>>>>> likely Asperger's, now known as high functioning autism.  Um, really!
>>>>>> \BethOn 12/29/2014 1:16 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Andrew, this is purely my very limited personal 
>>>>>>> observation. I have noticed that people who have been blind from 
>>>>>>> birth or shortly after do have different social skills that may 
>>>>>>> cause people to think that there is a type of developmental 
>>>>>>> delay. I am not sure if it is because of the lack of 
>>>>>>> understanding visual Q's that accompany a lot of social 
>>>>>>> interactions that some lifelong blind people have that sometimes 
>>>>>>> cause a noticeable difference when interacting with people in 
>>>>>>> certain situations, perhaps this factor can play a role in how 
>>>>>>> people perceive the behavior of some blind individuals.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wouldn't take it to heart though, it isn't a thing that makes a 
>>>>>>> person wrong or bad, just different and being different is part 
>>>>>>> of being alive. Some people have big feet, big noses that they 
>>>>>>> hate, squeaky voices, small body parts that they want enlarged, 
>>>>>>> skin that they wish were darker or lighter, but we all make this 
>>>>>>> ball of mud go round and weren't made to look or act like 
>>>>>>> clones. Some things are simply not in our control, so I think 
>>>>>>> that it helps to focus on the things that we can control and we 
>>>>>>> will find a happy balance in our lives.
>>>>>>> Take care, and again, this is simply my observations, not some 
>>>>>>> scientific or social study.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Andrew via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:56 AM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk
>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] developmental delay amung the blind
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi brothers and sisters in christ  just have a question. I am 
>>>>>>> just wondering if developmental delay is quite common amung the 
>>>>>>> blind?  or is  it not a common thing.  I  was told by somebody 
>>>>>>> that has  works with the disabled locally that has done acessmen 
>>>>>>> with me and i was told i have slight developmental delay.  would 
>>>>>>> people say that just for the sake of saying that or is this a 
>>>>>>> common thing amung the blind.
>>>>>>> i am trying to ask around about it.  e  even if i do have it i 
>>>>>>> can praise the lord no matter what.
>>>>>>> 
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